Super_Scotlandfan Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Surely it’s time to look at other options at centre back - but is there anything better out there? Other than Hanley, Berra and Martin who else is out there? All three have proven to be positionally unaware,capable of mistakes and lacking under pressure. Surely we should be looking to the future/other options if we want to qualify for a major championships. People go on about Hanley being young but he’s shown zero improvement in the last 3 or 4 years and can’t get a start for a championship team. Guys in the Scottish Prem - Mark Reynolds, Danny Wilson aren’t good enough, not sure if there’s anything else. Can we stick in John Souttar already? He definitely has the potential. An interesting option could be Steven Caulker at QPR - if he’s called up and is fully committed, he could be the answer. Anyone know if we’ve made any moves for him recently? A shorter term option could be Darren Fletcher at centre back. He’s got nowhere near the energy and penetration you used to have in midfield. He’s unbelievably committed, intelligent, composed and at 32 he could prolong his career playing here. We need to change something at centre back, hopefully Gordon/a new manager has the foresight to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 The more I have seen of Hanley the more he reminds me of Gary Caldwell. He is too handy pulling jerseys when either attacking or defending - dangerous trait that. He also has poor positional sense. As others said last night I can't understand why Strachan opted for Hanley over Russell Martin who is the lesser of two evils. No doubting we need to cast our net further afield and give the likes of Souttar a chance along with perhaps Cooper at Leeds. We can't do any worse than we are at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 the problem isn't who is out there it's Strachan playing a guy who hadn't started a club game since August martin or Greer would have done a reasonable job last night as they have every time they've played when he was picking martin and hanley for the last three games everyone was crying out for martin and Berra, then he goes and picks Hanley and berra and Hanley unsurprisingly was shite again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Souttar is feart to header the ball. Terrific and very composed player with the ball on the deck but was woeful at dundee united when it came to headers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 bring back Garry Kenneth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab The Crab Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Mulgrew, Cooper, Souttar, give them a go, if they're worse than Hanley they should consider a new career path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Caulker clearly isn't the answer given that he's English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86glebestreet Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 15 minutes ago, Bino's said: the problem isn't who is out there it's Strachan playing a guy who hadn't started a club game since August martin or Greer would have done a reasonable job last night as they have every time they've played when he was picking martin and hanley for the last three games everyone was crying out for martin and Berra, then he goes and picks Hanley and berra and Hanley unsurprisingly was shite again Strachan probably done eeny meeny miny mo when he was choosing Martin or Hanley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewarty66 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Cooper can't get a game with Leeds and when he has can't say I'm impressed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Just now, stewarty66 said: Cooper can't get a game with Leeds and when he has can't say I'm impressed . Hasn't stopped Hanley getting a game for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint4805 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) It's typical that we're over furnished in the left back department (the problem for position for many sides) and we have a severe lack of centre backs. Did Colin Hendry have any sons? Edited November 12, 2016 by Saint4805 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Truth is Strachan could have played any combination of defenders available to us and it wouldnt have made a difference - none of them are good enough at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 20 minutes ago, JECK said: Truth is Strachan could have played any combination of defenders available to us and it wouldnt have made a difference - none of them are good enough at this level. Correct. Souter is miles away from being an international centre half. He captained the u21s and they got a pumping too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Andy Considine is having a better season than anyone mentioned on this thread. I'd rather have him in any team I supported than useless crap like Hanley or Greer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Scotlandfan Posted November 12, 2016 Author Share Posted November 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Fairbairn said: Caulker clearly isn't the answer given that he's English. Open your mind. Caulker is as eligible to play for Scotland as anyone else in the squad. If he feels his Scottish heritage is enough to represent us with 100% commitment and effort then who is anyone to question him. If not then sack him off - all i'm saying is that he should be considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Fletcher as sweeper in a back 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 13 minutes ago, Malcolm said: Fletcher as sweeper in a back 5? Jings, no. Did you see the goals we conceded last night and in Slovakia ? Twice Fletcher stood still and allowed a guy to run off him. He's not a defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Stepped in at centre half at Man U? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g@un Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Agree about Caulker. Not convinced on Cooper. Souttar has to be in the squad from next year if he continues to develop. Martin should have played. I don't mind Berra. Greer is too old now. Hanley should be nowhere near the squad until he learns the basics and is playing regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g@un Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Fletcher at sweeper / centre half is worth a try. Kingsley could also slot in at left centre half. There are potential options there for whoever will be in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Kingsley has played centre half, he's worth a try mind, it'll be September 2018 till a meaningful game comes around again, weep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Malcolm said: Fletcher as sweeper in a back 5? Massive snowstorm near you is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnish Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Super_Scotlandfan said: Open your mind. Caulker is as eligible to play for Scotland as anyone else in the squad. If he feels his Scottish heritage is enough to represent us with 100% commitment and effort then who is anyone to question him. If not then sack him off - all i'm saying is that he should be considered. If he was 100% committed then presumably he would not have chosen to play for England and not waited for his career to bomb before showing a half hearted interest in playing for us. I'm pretty sure the home nations have an agreement not to pick players that have already played a full international for another British team and its not right anyway, it would just cheapen the jersey further (if it could look any cheaper than last night's girlish apparel) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 had a thought before has anyone ever went with 4 centre halfs before, aswell as full backs? 2 midfielders, 1 forward and one in behind. Genuinely thinking this given we have shipped f***** 8 goals already in this campaign. Fletcher as one those centre halfs is mental though as he you couldn't get a Sunday Post under him - he can barely jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Scotlandfan Posted November 12, 2016 Author Share Posted November 12, 2016 31 minutes ago, mcnish said: If he was 100% committed then presumably he would not have chosen to play for England and not waited for his career to bomb before showing a half hearted interest in playing for us. I'm pretty sure the home nations have an agreement not to pick players that have already played a full international for another British team and its not right anyway, it would just cheapen the jersey further (if it could look any cheaper than last night's girlish apparel) He was called up by the country of his birth. Why would he have turned it down? He can be as committed as he was for them as he can be for Scotland. I don't see why that wouldn't be possible. I don't believe capping a player completely eligible would cheapen the shirt. If players are eligible, give their all for the shirt and improve the squad then we need to call them up. Anyway, this thread should be about trying different players at centre back, not eligibility! Hopefully it'll get back to that... Kingsley at centre back seems a good shout, especially as we're well covered at left back. Never seen him play there though, definitely something that should be tried out in a friendly unless he's moved into the middle for Swansea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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