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20 hours ago, Ormond said:

You'll get laughed at because Saints are a "diddy" club, he doesn't play for the Old Firm or the fact that he's not English. :rolleyes:

You'd only get laughed at by simpletons who look down on the rest of the teams outside the OF. Both Anderson and Considine are good shouts considering the state of Strachans current CB choices. They can't do any worse.

 

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23 minutes ago, Fish Gills Mcginty said:

The 4 centre halves chat is a bit bizarre, but most other posts are fair enough

Totally. Just a suggestion. Given our defence is a total shambles and not good enough for international level (8 goals shipped already) it might be worth just parking a pink (or dark blue) bus for the remainder of the campaign and playing on the break.

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15 minutes ago, JECK said:

Totally. Just a suggestion. Given our defence is a total shambles and not good enough for international level (8 goals shipped already) it might be worth just parking a pink (or dark blue) bus for the remainder of the campaign and playing on the break.

you park the bus with two banks of 4

if you played 4 centre backs you'd be so shorthanded in the middle of the park they'd be at the edge of your box for the whole game

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4 minutes ago, Bino's said:

you park the bus with two banks of 4

if you played 4 centre backs you'd be so shorthanded in the middle of the park they'd be at the edge of your box for the whole game

Aye sounds good to me. Anything to stop the goals, it's embarrassing now.

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Under Jock Stein we played with 4 centre backs once in 1981 - against Wales in Swansea. We lost 2-0. Joe Jordan was sent off.

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/international_fixture_details.cfm?page=1921&matchID=57486

Kenny Burns, Willie Miller, Gordon McQueen and David Narey all in the starting line up - and don't think any of them were playing at full back, we had Ray Stewart and Frank Gray there. Imagine if there had been a TAMB back then.

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57 minutes ago, big clarky said:

Calum Paterson is a stick on as centre half and captain of scotland,aggresive ,great in the air totally wasted at right back, thoughts ?

Don't think he has ever played there before other than the last 10 minutes of a game for Hearts when one of the centre halves was sent off and the other got injured.

 

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1 hour ago, big clarky said:

Calum Paterson is a stick on as centre half and captain of scotland,aggresive ,great in the air totally wasted at right back, thoughts ?

Scott Brown was being talked about by Rodgers as a possible centre half earlier in the season as well.  Certainly aggressive but I don't know how good he is in the air or if he's going to retire again.

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Can we establish a simple rule for the remainder of this discussion please:

1. Candidates for centre-half position should be centre-half for their club.

That is all. Fletcher? Broony? What the f*ck?

Instead of wasting international dates, why doesn't Strachan call up 8 centre-halves and make a concerted effort in training and any possible matches to try them all out. Get a look at them in training, see which guys work well together, work well in the squad, show the right attitude, etc. I refuse to believe out of 8 possible centre-halfs who are playing regularly, the management team couldn't find at least 2 or 3 who would give Martin, Berra and Hanley a run for their money.

I think it's time the Scotland setup returned to development squads or training sessions. Round up two squads of players who are on the periphery of international call ups and get them together twice a year for a day or two's training. 8 centre halves, 8 full backs, 8 midfielders, 8 wingers, 8 strikers. A chance for players to get noticed and make a claim for a place. Would players and clubs snub such a process? Probably. This problem needs fixed though and it needs fixed urgently. We dont have time for golf holidays.

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10 hours ago, hannibal smith said:

Don't think he has ever played there before other than the last 10 minutes of a game for Hearts when one of the centre halves was sent off and the other got injured.

 

So what? Scotland could always take the initiative and try it out. On the face of it, it does seem a fairly sensible suggestion to me. And given where we are just now, we're going to have to start trying some rather leftfield stuff.

To try it out though we require a friendly game for sole purposes of trying things out. And as we all know when it comes to friendlies we either A- don't play them or B- use them as a money making exercise.

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It is about time Considine got a run out for Scotland. He has been steady for Aberdeen for years, particularly under McInnes whom everyone thought would get rid of him from the off. He keeps things simple, almost never loses a header (I believe he is the tallest outfield player in the SPL?) and rarely gets overran even though he is slow.

Strachan just isn't interested in trying new things or picking players from the north!!

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5 minutes ago, LewisEDI said:

considine ! god have things got that bad. 

He's played plenty times in Europe for Aberdeen and been a regular for 10+ years. Definitely deserves a chance.

If Grant "costs us a goal a game" Hanley can get in the team when he ain't even making the bench at Newcastle because Benitez can see how bad he is than why shouldn't Considine get a chance? 

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Hanley should be nowhere near a Scotland side.  Others have suggested Considine or Anderson and whilst they don't excite the average fan, they are better defenders than Hanley.  Even at that, Considine is solid enough, but not that brilliant and Anderson is a safe, steady and unspectacular player.

It's a straight toss up between Hanley and Kenneth in my book for the worst ever centre half we've played since the decline after World Cup 1998.  You could perhaps throw Graeme Murty in to the mix for that award.

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6 minutes ago, BremnerLorimerGray said:

It's a straight toss up between Hanley and Kenneth in my book for the worst ever centre half we've played since the decline after World Cup 1998.  You could perhaps throw Graeme Murty in to the mix for that award.

murty was a right back was he not? could add lee wilkie, matt elliot, steven caldwell to that list 

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27 minutes ago, LewisEDI said:

murty was a right back was he not? could add lee wilkie, matt elliot, steven caldwell to that list 

Matt Elliott would be by far our best centre back in this team. Don't think he warrants inclusion on that list.

Agree with the rest though - Hanley made 7/8 really bad errors against England and that's pretty standard for him. 

To put it bluntly he is absolute dog crap. 

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Just spoke with a Newcastle fan, he was talking about the game and thought that we played not too badly, he did say our defence is an absolute joke, he couldn't believe Hanley even started, he views Hanley as no more than a back up player to their main centre halfs at Newcastle. he said it's not the lads fault but your manager (Strachan) should not be putting him in the team as he doesn't get picked for Newcastle unless it's league cup duty !!

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Been watching Considine for many years at Aberdeen, went through a bit of a sticky patch but has come out the other side as a reliable defender. Played mostly at left back since DM arrived, not a complete slow coach and when called upon to play Centre Half (his favoured position) he hasn't been found wanting. Very rarely beaten in the air and keeps it simple. Playing consistently and a far better option than Hanley imo but hey he's not playing for a Championship or OF team so Strachan won't even consider him, (which is strange as he meets the height criteria  ;) ).

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Just now, clarky1606 said:

are you suggesting they don't deserve a chance and we stick with the current crop of sh!t centre backs who have left us down continuously with their errors?

I'm just stating that even though the current mob are brutal, they are still a step up in class to the 2 I mentioned.. that's worrying. They would have been brought up at some point in the selection process no doubt but they aren't good enough.

 

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7 hours ago, Auld_Reekie said:

Can we establish a simple rule for the remainder of this discussion please:

1. Candidates for centre-half position should be centre-half for their club.

That is all. Fletcher? Broony? What the f*ck?

I think those names were being put forward, certainly by me, in the event that we wanted to play with a three at the back and as we're all aware we are short of defenders to play there so if we were to go down that line we would hhe to be creative.  It's not unknown for no-centre halves to play in a three, e.g Tom Boyd, Neil Taylor for Wales. As you've said with teh idea of a development squad we just can't keep going on like this we must try something different whether its marking (man to man please!), personnel or formations.

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