Education In Scotland

[Ally Bongo]

1 hour ago, Larky Masher said:

Do they have a majority in parliament?

Sorry thought it was about Mhairi Black losing her seat next time

[hampden_loon2878]

The results need to be taken for what they are,, not great but certainly not a disaster,,, yes/snp supporters need to take some criticism constructively as thats what will make us better,, not sitting back thinking everything is ok,,, we need to impove all the time in every aspect of society and not fall into a false sense of security,,, the snp alone carry the hope of independence and they need to make sure they dont slip up as if they falter so does the whole yes movement 

[Larky Masher]

18 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

Sorry thought it was about Mhairi Black losing her seat next time

No it was about the SNP majority in Holyrood but no problems things aren't always clear on here.

[Alan]

On Friday, December 09, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Rossy said:

Or Scots who have had the courage and effort to better themselves and widen their knowledge and way of life by moving away from Scotland. Despite the fact that many of these Scots....simply by moving outside Scotland.....are able to see the country that Scotland could become.

You'll find that those who criticise these Scots are ridden by jealousy and fear, and have rarely moved more than 5 minutes away from their mum's house, ever.

In no way do you rate yourself at all.

Your decades in Netherlands surely you have noticed that country has many challenges like all western countries including Scotland. It's no eutopia. In fact probably more at this time with Dutch attitudes and challenges to immigration and pressures on its liberal society.

[Alan]

HertsScot you have not experienced Scottish education system and it will not impact you or family.  Therefore like aaid you blindly defend something that will impact you no matter how poor the results and performance is.  Its baffling.

Edited December 11, 2016 by Alan

[Rossy]

Slightly different topic, but worth noting in case the usual clowns start the usual, predictable, boring 'SNP baaaad' threads about this that or whatever.

I presume that Theresa May can be held personally responsible for this ?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/11/nhs-england-anorexic-patients-scotland-mental-health

[Ally Bongo]

38 minutes ago, Alan said:

Its baffling.

As baffling as you refusing to be sceptical about any SNP bad story and revelling in all it's glory even when it's been exposed as utter tripe ?

[aaid]

2 hours ago, Alan said:

HertsScot you have not experienced Scottish education system and it will not impact you or family.  Therefore like aaid you blindly defend something that will impact you no matter how poor the results and performance is.  Its baffling.

Sorry champ but I had a full Scottish education from primary, through secondary and onto degree level.

[ParisInAKilt]

Still relevant for Scotland 

 

[DoonTheSlope]

On 6 December 2016 at 6:21 PM, deecie said:

Deflect, deflect, deflect....

This

On 6 December 2016 at 6:25 PM, deecie said:

Deflect further.

This

On 6 December 2016 at 10:02 PM, deecie said:

I'll stick with you deflecting away from education.

This again

On 6 December 2016 at 10:58 PM, andymac said:

So somebody disagrees with SNP policy/performance and they become a troll?

That's the way it is on here. It's pathetic really 

On 6 December 2016 at 11:09 PM, AlfieMoon said:

I didn't say he was - but thanks for speaking on his behalf when I'm very reasonably asking a question. 

This

On 7 December 2016 at 8:43 AM, Parklife said:

Being a troll doesn't mean the issue he's raising here isn't valid. 

So many folk on this board have a complete blindness to any problems with the SNP's governance of the country. 

This. It's like the battered wife who keeps going back for more 

On 9 December 2016 at 3:18 PM, Ally Bongo said:

Both of us live next to each other

I have the bigger house

You give me all your wages every  enough back which in my opinion is enough to pay all your bills.

With what i have left of your money i spend on my house

3 weeks later you tell me that the gas board are threatening to cut you off as your bill is in arrears

Who is at fault ?

Just like the EU

[Toepoke]

11 hours ago, Alan said:

 It's no eutopia. 

Could be a UKIP slogan...

[Ally Bongo]

2 hours ago, DoonTheSlope said:

This

This

This again

That's the way it is on here. It's pathetic really 

This

This. It's like the battered wife who keeps going back for more 

Just like the EU

http://www.andersoncaledonian.com/blog/the-strange-case-of-the-self-loathing-scot

Everyday, without fail, I am taken aback by the things that are said on social media, by hardline unionists. The self-loathing Scot, is a strange case indeed. Call him what you will, the Vichy Scot, the Quisling, the Britnat, the Scot with Stockholm syndrome, his unquestioning, unshakeable belief in Britain is beyond reason. But why? What happens to cause someone, not just to remain impassive, when labelled a “subsidy junkie” or asked “who’d pay the welfare bill, if Scotland were independent?” by some rabid, right wing zoomer on Question Time, but to view it as a vindication of their slavish devotion to the sclerotic British State?

Going into 2014 independence referendum, I was, and always had been, in favour of the status quo. Nothing good, I reasoned, could come of consigning our 300 year old union to the dustbin of history. However, as the campaign wore on, I found myself increasingly irked, by what I believed to be the belittling of Scotland by Better Together. I then began to question, just why it was, that I was inclined towards ‘no’. The answer was as simple as it was stark. Years of insidious propaganda. From our formative years to the grave, the message is clear, Scotland is too small, too poor and too stupid. Alarmingly, not only had I, like countless others, soaked this up like a sponge, I had never questioned it. Until 2014, I hadn’t even been aware it was happening.

Gradually, the fog lifted. As I recall, it was being told Scotland “can’t have sterling’ that cemented my damascene-conversion. In a matter of weeks, Better Together succeeded in delivering me, an unthinking, dyed in the wool unionist, gift wrapped, to Yes Scotland. The CamCleggiband triumvirate, ably abetted by Broon the Buffoon and Dodgy Darling, were selling a lie. Everything that has transpired since IndyRef, be it the vanishing “Vow”, the unworkable “EVEL” and Brexit has shown it to be so. If I could see beyond Britain’s facade, why couldn’t the self-loathing Scot? Had I not been him?

Not that all self-loathing Scots are the same. There are those, paralysed by greed, who are terrified that they’ll be tuppence ha’penny worse off, in the event of independence. Abject terror of a lighter wallet, is hard to overcome, but it is not impossible. As Brexit bites, the pound in their pocket brigade might just begin to realise, that independence is an opportunity to do things differently. If Scotland, can’t stand on her own two feet, as the “yoonies” would have it, might that be because the Union is holding her back?

Then there are those, who display an irrational, perhaps even pathological, hatred towards nationalists and more specifically, the SNP. They often mistakenly assume, anyone in favour of independence, must also belong to, or at the very least support, the SNP. They’ll tell you that they can’t abide nationalism, full stop. Many can’t or won’t accept that Brexit isn’t anything other than an expression of British-English nationalism. The anti-nationalists will tell you, that the SNP wish to control everything, that they are driven by lust for power. Never mind, that so desperate were the English to “take back control” and to “repatriate power” from the EU, the UK is now headed for the exit door. What, if not lust for power, drove the Goblin Gove, to betray a long time friend and ally, or for the spineless, soulless agitators in the Parliamentary Labour Party to mount a half-arsed coup against Corbyn?

Let’s not forget, the well meaning internationalists, who probably do believe that we are in fact “Better Together”. Sadly, their vision of a socialist, or social democratic nirvana, where we are “all in it together”, is little more than a pipe dream. The Tories are the natural party of power, south of the border. Tory ideology, has governed the UK for the best part of forty years. The Labour Party only succeeded in getting into government, after it had shaken off socialism, and stolen a great many of the Tories’ clothes. I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry, when Dippy Dugdale tweeted “Scottish Labour is committed to tackling poverty + inequality. You can’t do that with independence”. You don’t know that Kezia! What we do know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that 309 years of union, has done damn near hee-haw to rid our society of poverty and inequality. Have Dugdale and her ilk, no ambition for Scotland, no faith in her at all? Are we really expected to wait indefinitely for a bus that’s never coming? Waiting on a nation that seems to revel in class, to deliver social justice, is just plain daft, and Kezia Dugdale must realise that. If she doesn’t, she’s even more out of her depth than I feared.

As with every walk of life, there are the lunatics. You know him, he often loves the Queen, and the colour orange, though by no mean always. He says things like “Theresa May runs the UK, and the UK runs Scotland”. It’s not just that he says things like that, it is that they are said with delight.
He expresses inexplicable, gloating, gleeful, outright joy whenever the Daily Fail or the Daily Ex-Princess reports that Scotland, Sturgeon or Salmond has been “slapped down”. He’ll say Sturgeon doesn’t speak for him. Does he not realise that those who he says do, so deeply despise him?

The self-loathing Scot professes to love Scotland, but how can he? He affords Scotland no dignity,
and wishes nothing but what our dominant neighbour deems fit to dole out, for her. Sometimes, the self-loathing Scot convinces himself that we are indeed, “a family of nations”, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. All too often, he is keen to deny that Scotland should have a voice at all, that there is the UK, Britain and nothing else. I’ll say it once again, the self-loathing Scot is a strange case indeed,  

 

[Lamia]

On 07/12/2016 at 9:48 PM, Alan said:

 

Chuck in accusations of "troll" a term used to denigrate any opposing view 

No only you. And good to form you distort the truth of the matter just to prove the point. 

[Lamia]

On 08/12/2016 at 8:55 AM, BlueGaz said:

Not as viciously as it was a couple of years ago its not.

You keep regurgitating the same thing over and over.  For me, that is a natural thing to happen and will always happen.  Regardless of who is in power, there will always be 'the other side' that will hate them.  Nothing new here.  

'Vicious' give me break! 

[Guest BlueGaz]

Just now, Lamia said:

'Vicious' give me break! 

Your wish is my command - break granted.

[Flure]

10 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

http://www.andersoncaledonian.com/blog/the-strange-case-of-the-self-loathing-scot

Everyday, without fail, ........

 

Somebody get a bag of commas for their birthday?

[Lamia]

8 minutes ago, BlueGaz said:

Your wish is my command - break granted.

As someone else pointed out nonsense like that is purely put out there to shut down debate. 

 

[Guest BlueGaz]

1 minute ago, Lamia said:

As someone else pointed out nonsense like that is purely put out there to shut down debate. 

 

[stocky]

3 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

http://www.andersoncaledonian.com/blog/the-strange-case-of-the-self-loathing-scot

Everyday, without fail, I am taken aback by the things that are said on social media, by hardline unionists. The self-loathing Scot, is a strange case indeed. Call him what you will, the Vichy Scot, the Quisling, the Britnat, the Scot with Stockholm syndrome, his unquestioning, unshakeable belief in Britain is beyond reason. But why? What happens to cause someone, not just to remain impassive, when labelled a “subsidy junkie” or asked “who’d pay the welfare bill, if Scotland were independent?” by some rabid, right wing zoomer on Question Time, but to view it as a vindication of their slavish devotion to the sclerotic British State?

Going into 2014 independence referendum, I was, and always had been, in favour of the status quo. Nothing good, I reasoned, could come of consigning our 300 year old union to the dustbin of history. However, as the campaign wore on, I found myself increasingly irked, by what I believed to be the belittling of Scotland by Better Together. I then began to question, just why it was, that I was inclined towards ‘no’. The answer was as simple as it was stark. Years of insidious propaganda. From our formative years to the grave, the message is clear, Scotland is too small, too poor and too stupid. Alarmingly, not only had I, like countless others, soaked this up like a sponge, I had never questioned it. Until 2014, I hadn’t even been aware it was happening.

Gradually, the fog lifted. As I recall, it was being told Scotland “can’t have sterling’ that cemented my damascene-conversion. In a matter of weeks, Better Together succeeded in delivering me, an unthinking, dyed in the wool unionist, gift wrapped, to Yes Scotland. The CamCleggiband triumvirate, ably abetted by Broon the Buffoon and Dodgy Darling, were selling a lie. Everything that has transpired since IndyRef, be it the vanishing “Vow”, the unworkable “EVEL” and Brexit has shown it to be so. If I could see beyond Britain’s facade, why couldn’t the self-loathing Scot? Had I not been him?

Not that all self-loathing Scots are the same. There are those, paralysed by greed, who are terrified that they’ll be tuppence ha’penny worse off, in the event of independence. Abject terror of a lighter wallet, is hard to overcome, but it is not impossible. As Brexit bites, the pound in their pocket brigade might just begin to realise, that independence is an opportunity to do things differently. If Scotland, can’t stand on her own two feet, as the “yoonies” would have it, might that be because the Union is holding her back?

Then there are those, who display an irrational, perhaps even pathological, hatred towards nationalists and more specifically, the SNP. They often mistakenly assume, anyone in favour of independence, must also belong to, or at the very least support, the SNP. They’ll tell you that they can’t abide nationalism, full stop. Many can’t or won’t accept that Brexit isn’t anything other than an expression of British-English nationalism. The anti-nationalists will tell you, that the SNP wish to control everything, that they are driven by lust for power. Never mind, that so desperate were the English to “take back control” and to “repatriate power” from the EU, the UK is now headed for the exit door. What, if not lust for power, drove the Goblin Gove, to betray a long time friend and ally, or for the spineless, soulless agitators in the Parliamentary Labour Party to mount a half-arsed coup against Corbyn?

Let’s not forget, the well meaning internationalists, who probably do believe that we are in fact “Better Together”. Sadly, their vision of a socialist, or social democratic nirvana, where we are “all in it together”, is little more than a pipe dream. The Tories are the natural party of power, south of the border. Tory ideology, has governed the UK for the best part of forty years. The Labour Party only succeeded in getting into government, after it had shaken off socialism, and stolen a great many of the Tories’ clothes. I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry, when Dippy Dugdale tweeted “Scottish Labour is committed to tackling poverty + inequality. You can’t do that with independence”. You don’t know that Kezia! What we do know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that 309 years of union, has done damn near hee-haw to rid our society of poverty and inequality. Have Dugdale and her ilk, no ambition for Scotland, no faith in her at all? Are we really expected to wait indefinitely for a bus that’s never coming? Waiting on a nation that seems to revel in class, to deliver social justice, is just plain daft, and Kezia Dugdale must realise that. If she doesn’t, she’s even more out of her depth than I feared.

As with every walk of life, there are the lunatics. You know him, he often loves the Queen, and the colour orange, though by no mean always. He says things like “Theresa May runs the UK, and the UK runs Scotland”. It’s not just that he says things like that, it is that they are said with delight.
He expresses inexplicable, gloating, gleeful, outright joy whenever the Daily Fail or the Daily Ex-Princess reports that Scotland, Sturgeon or Salmond has been “slapped down”. He’ll say Sturgeon doesn’t speak for him. Does he not realise that those who he says do, so deeply despise him?

The self-loathing Scot professes to love Scotland, but how can he? He affords Scotland no dignity,
and wishes nothing but what our dominant neighbour deems fit to dole out, for her. Sometimes, the self-loathing Scot convinces himself that we are indeed, “a family of nations”, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. All too often, he is keen to deny that Scotland should have a voice at all, that there is the UK, Britain and nothing else. I’ll say it once again, the self-loathing Scot is a strange case indeed,  

 

there is also the YOON gloater, they get a hard on when they hear bad things happening in Scotland, ie Oil Dropping, Banks Crashing,  etc etc . Just to back up their assumption that Scotland is poor, and this will make us all poorer., and therefore need the hand oots.........

[killiefaetheferry]

Having taken a voluntary redundancy in order to gain experience of working with children so that I could apply for a teaching career, I'm fecking delighted tonight as I've been accepted for the PGDE for Primary Education at Dundee University. Been loving my 3 days a week in class, the children are brilliant and the teachers were very welcoming. Can't wait to get started in August. 

[aaid]

27 minutes ago, killiefaetheferry said:

Having taken a voluntary redundancy in order to gain experience of working with children so that I could apply for a teaching career, I'm fecking delighted tonight as I've been accepted for the PGDE for Primary Education at Dundee University. Been loving my 3 days a week in class, the children are brilliant and the teachers were very welcoming. Can't wait to get started in August. 

Nice one James. 

[TDYER63]

30 minutes ago, killiefaetheferry said:

Having taken a voluntary redundancy in order to gain experience of working with children so that I could apply for a teaching career, I'm fecking delighted tonight as I've been accepted for the PGDE for Primary Education at Dundee University. Been loving my 3 days a week in class, the children are brilliant and the teachers were very welcoming. Can't wait to get started in August. 

Very pleased for you. Bold decision and well done.  

I thought this was Alan back with more doom and gloom....

[killiefaetheferry]

Cheers Gents. The Mrs is now going to let me spend some redundancy money . Killie v Rangers big kiddie stayover with our Hun in-laws in Stewarton should be a great night 

[ShedTA]

2 hours ago, killiefaetheferry said:

Having taken a voluntary redundancy in order to gain experience of working with children so that I could apply for a teaching career, I'm fecking delighted tonight as I've been accepted for the PGDE for Primary Education at Dundee University. Been loving my 3 days a week in class, the children are brilliant and the teachers were very welcoming. Can't wait to get started in August. 

Well done and congratulations. It's good to hear of people succeeding. Hope it goes well for you and is all you hope it will be! 

[ShedTA]

Regarding education in Scotland any decline is unacceptable. But it's declining across the whole of the UK which is a scandal too. It's hardly a surprise though with all the cuts to funding and teacher positions and salaries. To think somehow the snp can protect Scotland from these levels of funding cuts is however pretty naive. Rather than see education hit I would support increased taxes to fund it but that is highly unlikely.