Toepoke Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Sir Mo, Sir Ray, Sir Ken... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38470732 Seems appropriate in 2016 that several people appear to be getting honoured for not being dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 I must say I find it baffling that someone with the already hard-earned professional respect and no-nonsense gritty personal integrity of Andy Murray would finally succumb to a knighthood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 4 hours ago, exile said: I must say I find it baffling that someone with the already hard-earned professional respect and no-nonsense gritty personal integrity of Andy Murray would finally succumb to a knighthood. Exactly. What a fvcking embarrassment. He's off of my Christmas card list now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernscum Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Establishment sell out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 7 hours ago, Toepoke said: Sir Mo, Sir Ray, Sir Ken... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38470732 Seems appropriate in 2016 that several people appear to be getting honoured for not being dead. To be fair, probably one of a persons biggest achievements is staying alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 6 hours ago, exile said: I must say I find it baffling that someone with the already hard-earned professional respect and no-nonsense gritty personal integrity of Andy Murray would finally succumb to a knighthood. I don't think "finally succumb" is the right phrase. You get "offered" it, and you either accept or you don't. If you decline first time round you don't get offered again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Orraloon said: If you decline first time round you don't get offered again. Pretty sure you can be. There was some older actor (name escapes me) who's now turned it down three or four times Anyway, well done to Phil Scraton. Edited December 31, 2016 by Stapes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 I don't begrudge anyone taking an honour, although we really need to be looking towards a more civic based system. Said it pretty much every time it comes round, why can't Scotland establish a civic honours system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 2 hours ago, Stapes said: Pretty sure you can be. There was some older actor (name escapes me) who's now turned it down three or four times David Bowie allegedly knocked back a knighthood several times. Andy had already accepted an OBE, so it's just another step up the ladder I suppose. Although that used to be a CBE. They've set their stall out in recent years by awarding knighthoods and damehoods willy nilly to sports people while they're still competing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 5 hours ago, Orraloon said: I don't think "finally succumb" is the right phrase. You get "offered" it, and you either accept or you don't. If you decline first time round you don't get offered again. I was just trying to be tactful. I thought that earlier he'd said (something like) he was too young for a knighthood, as if there had been soundings or as if he was pre-empting soundings, as if to say 'don't ask me yet, I don't know if I want it.' No point in ranting about this - unless you want to create happy schadenfreude for others - it's his if he wants it. I was just baffled why he would want it. It's not like, say, people in walks of life that normally go unrecoognised. He already had all the recognition and a solid gold world ranking, you could not be clearer than that. Yet he's content to muck in with a parochial pantomine cast of goodies and baddies, Ken Dodds and Tory donors. For me, a knighthood is a ritual humiliation, imagine having to kow-tow to a fellow mammal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 1 minute ago, exile said: For me, a knighthood is a ritual humiliation, imagine having to kow-tow to a fellow mammal. Take it you aren't married then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 8 minutes ago, flumax said: Take it you aren't married then. What you do in private is your own business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ormond Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 10 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: That from Follow Follow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 14 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: haha. love it. english bastards losing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil r Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Great 'honour' for Billy Britain indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 6 hours ago, Toepoke said: David Bowie allegedly knocked back a knighthood several times. Andy had already accepted an OBE, so it's just another step up the ladder I suppose. Although that used to be a CBE. They've set their stall out in recent years by awarding knighthoods and damehoods willy nilly to sports people while they're still competing... Putting to one side whether or not there should be an honours system. I think the problem was that in the past British sportsmen and women weren't that great and Olympic gold medals, world championships, etc., were pretty few and far between. In 2004, when Kelly Holmes the 400m and 800m and they made her a Dame and set a precedent that two gold medals = a knighthood or dameship -or whatever being a dame meant. That was a great achievement to be fair but they gave her the award while she was still competing. The problem then was that UK athletes started getting good, especially in T&F and cycling and of course Andy Murray. TBH, they should wait until a sportsman or woman retires as that is then the time to judge their career and whether or not they should be honoured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 7 minutes ago, aaid said: Putting to one side whether or not there should be an honours system. I think the problem was that in the past British sportsmen and women weren't that great and Olympic gold medals, world championships, etc., were pretty few and far between. In 2004, when Kelly Holmes the 400m and 800m and they made her a Dame and set a precedent that two gold medals = a knighthood or dameship -or whatever being a dame meant. That was a great achievement to be fair but they gave her the award while she was still competing. The problem then was that UK athletes started getting good, especially in T&F and cycling and of course Andy Murray. TBH, they should wait until a sportsman or woman retires as that is then the time to judge their career and whether or not they should be honoured. Agree there. If the current "criteria" had been applied in the past, Billy McNeill and Jock Stein would've been knighted in 1967, Jackie Stewart would've got his 30 years earlier etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 6 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Agree there. If the current "criteria" had been applied in the past, Billy McNeill and Jock Stein would've been knighted in 1967, Jackie Stewart would've got his 30 years earlier etc... I remember reading that the reason Bobby Moore wasn't knighted in 1966 was because they thought it would be the first of many World Cup wins and so didn't want to set any precedents by knighting Bobby Moore - undoubtedly a huge amount of snobbery at that time as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 I think the bar was set pretty low when pretty much all the ashes team of 2005 got a gong. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2005/dec/31/cricket.sport?CMP=share_btn_link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 3 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Why even bother with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 3 hours ago, Ormond said: That from Follow Follow? You can Tweet on Follow Follow now? I'm so 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Team gb whank They can have him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 24 minutes ago, dandydunn said: Team gb whank They can have him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernscum Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 33 minutes ago, dandydunn said: Team gb whank They can have him now. Aye, hope he enjoys going down on one knee in front of old pishy drawers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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