Squirrelhumper Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 16 hours ago, PapofGlencoe said: i'm usually annoyed when a manager/player moves south to some no mark team but, I know this will piss off killie fans, but Kilmarnock seems a different case. Club must be one of the most boring in Scotland. Stadium is far too big for their support. Their ground is a morgue. They've won a cup fairly recently and back in history they've had some team but my whole lifetime it's a club that seems to lack any kind of "personality". What do you deem as being a personality? We were the last provincial side to be Champions of Scotland, we've won both domestic cups in my lifetime, we've been in the top tier of Scottish Football for the last 24 years unbroken, We've had guys like Tommy Burns/Kenny Shiels as managers who i'd def call personalities, we've had several players capped whilst at the club in my lifetime, we've played in Europe several seasons since last promoted, we're the only team in British history to overturn a 4-0 deficit in European competition (4-0 down against Eintracht Frankfurt). I could go on. Our stadium is too big though, blame a well meaning, over ambitious board. Our crowds have fallen massively over the past decade as the town is dying on it's arse in terms of employment. That said, the crowds are still there and Clark fully knew that and saw the potential at the play off games. Rugby Park was absolutely bouncing at the 2nd leg. Clark has more faces than the town clock and hopefully he's a complete failure at Bury. P.S Couldn't help but bite. We're by no means a glamourous club but there's plenty of tradition, history and potential attached the club and any manager worth their salt would recognise that. Sadly for Lee Clark he's probably been enticed by a few extra beers a week in his pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: Bury got 2050 at weekend. Ironically Bury's average gate is significantly lower than Killie's so he's gone to a bigger league but a smaller club Edited February 16, 2017 by Larky Masher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 47 minutes ago, euan2020 said: is that not an anomaly though ? Leeds & Newcastle should really find themselves in the Premiership & some of the pap like Bournemouth without the investors money would be back in Championsip/League 1 The stats I quoted are for League One not the Championship, the reference to that was with respect to the promotion places i.e. they don't into Europe and get a couple of games in June they get into Championship and a get as season of larger gates and the opportunity of entering the promised land of the EPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 If we are to take him at his word of wanting to manage a big club he's probably doing the sensible thing. Finishing 3rd or 4th with Killie won't get you any recognition in England. Taking a team like Bury to the playoffs will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, Och Aye said: If we are to take him at his word of wanting to manage a big club he's probably doing the sensible thing. Finishing 3rd or 4th with Killie won't get you any recognition in England. Taking a team like Bury to the playoffs will. He's more likely to end up in league 2. Before FC united moved to their own ground, Bury weren't even the best supported team at Gigg lane. I can see the appeal to Clark of jumping ship, he wouldn't have lasted that long at Killie, so he moves before his reputation is damaged and resets the clock. (Although the clock probably has about 3 months on it in league 1!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 It's the reasoning for the move (if we are to believe him) that I understand not his belief in his own ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoofitharder Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Bury are a smaller club than Killie but will have a bigger budget. they are very poorly supported but that is slightly mitigated by the competition around them in man city /utd Oldham, Rochdale ,FCutd and now Salford.I don't know who is putting the money in but they are not alone league one if full of clubs spending beyond their means hoping to get to the promised land i truly believe it is a house of cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jailender Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Also, his family were still down in England, so maybe he just felt that a job down there, probably with more money, was better for him and them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: What do you deem as being a personality? We were the last provincial side to be Champions of Scotland, we've won both domestic cups in my lifetime, we've been in the top tier of Scottish Football for the last 24 years unbroken, We've had guys like Tommy Burns/Kenny Shiels as managers who i'd def call personalities, we've had several players capped whilst at the club in my lifetime, we've played in Europe several seasons since last promoted, we're the only team in British history to overturn a 4-0 deficit in European competition (4-0 down against Eintracht Frankfurt). I could go on. Our stadium is too big though, blame a well meaning, over ambitious board. Our crowds have fallen massively over the past decade as the town is dying on it's arse in terms of employment. That said, the crowds are still there and Clark fully knew that and saw the potential at the play off games. Rugby Park was absolutely bouncing at the 2nd leg. Clark has more faces than the town clock and hopefully he's a complete failure at Bury. P.S Couldn't help but bite. We're by no means a glamourous club but there's plenty of tradition, history and potential attached the club and any manager worth their salt would recognise that. Sadly for Lee Clark he's probably been enticed by a few extra beers a week in his pay. When you put it like that is sounds impressive. Think the stadium is the biggest issue. From the outside looking in it looks brutal. I reckon the reason the attendances have fallen is through a lack of atmosphere at games. Lack of atmosphere = lack of an intangible personality = lack of belonging = few people want to go = empty shell = vicious circle. Unemployment was rife in other parts of Scotland but football clubs were a focus of the community. I think Killie suffer from the old-firm affect more than most places as well. I like the badge though. Fair play to anybody that supports a smaller team rather than the terrible twins. Killie don't have the gritty glamour of a wee team but are too poorly supported to be a big team. Edited February 16, 2017 by PapofGlencoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 1 hour ago, jailender said: Also, his family were still down in England, so maybe he just felt that a job down there, probably with more money, was better for him and them. Bury's not much closer to Newcastle than Kilmarnock is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, PapofGlencoe said: Think the stadium is the biggest issue. From the outside looking in it looks brutal. I reckon the reason the attendances have fallen is through a lack of atmosphere at games. Lack of atmosphere = lack of an intangible personality = lack of belonging = few people want to go = empty shell = vicious circle. I know quite a few Killie fans who've stopped going to games, but I can't think of one who's said it's because the ground is too big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 1 hour ago, jailender said: Also, his family were still down in England, so maybe he just felt that a job down there, probably with more money, was better for him and them. Mark McGhee's family are down south too. Does anyone know if the Exeter City job is vacant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, Toepoke said: I know quite a few Killie fans who've stopped going to games, but I can't think of one who's said it's because the ground is too big. haha so the atmosphere being shite had nothing to do with it? Find that hard to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, PapofGlencoe said: haha so the atmosphere being shite had nothing to do with it? Find that hard to believe. It might not look great on TV but the atmosphere is fine when you're sitting in the crowd there. Aforementioned financial impact in the local area, hatred of the club's administrators, boredom after nearly two decades of mid to bottom table mediocrity are the main reasons for lack of attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 14 hours ago, Toepoke said: I'm certainly taking it better than Sawers (explicit content warning)... https://mobile.twitter.com/UWTB1893/status/831956953203097601/video/1 How that guy's head hasn't exploded by now is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 3 hours ago, Och Aye said: Mark McGhee's family are down south too. So is he half the time, maybe that's part of our problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 48 minutes ago, sbcmfc said: So is he half the time, maybe that's part of our problem? That he's only down south half the time? Yeah, that definitely is your problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 30 minutes ago, Parklife said: That he's only down south half the time? Yeah, that definitely is your problem! Maybe it explains the routine he seems to be in. Arrives at clubs starts off well (Dons being an exception) and after a time goes downhill. Being away from your family must have an adverse effect on you. Of course Motherwell are at fault for choosing this scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrie21 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Quite liking the subtle inferences in this thread about Lee Clark being a bevvy merchant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 50 minutes ago, morrie21 said: Quite liking the subtle inferences in this thread about Lee Clark being a bevvy merchant On a purely subtle inference sort of level, the Cavalry Arms at Edgerton were, I believe, sorry when he left the Hudds. job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrie21 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, Huddersfield said: On a purely subtle inference sort of level, the Cavalry Arms at Edgerton were, I believe, sorry when he left the Hudds. job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 11 hours ago, jailender said: Also, his family were still down in England, so maybe he just felt that a job down there, probably with more money, was better for him and them. He's now 4 miles closer to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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