ShedTA Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 18 minutes ago, Blackpool78 said: Not Celtic's fault though and who is to blame? its not about fault and blame - its about trying to make it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool78 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 So what you want is a level playing field to try and help out the other clubs in Scotland, the irony of the post being called Diddums aimed at Celtic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 23 minutes ago, Blackpool78 said: Not Celtic's fault though and who is to blame? Why does everything have to be someone's fault? Sometimes there are problems that we all need to work together to resolve, for the greater good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevesy Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Blackpool78 said: So what you want is a level playing field to try and help out the other clubs in Scotland, the irony of the post being called Diddums aimed at Celtic Could you imagine the SFA operating a draft system? Sevco would be given the best players year after year. We'd still be back to a one horse race but a lot more people would be happier with that, funnily enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 24 minutes ago, Blackpool78 said: Not Celtic's fault though and who is to blame? Celtic are partly at fault but no more to blame than the rest of the clubs who have allowed scottish football to become a one horse race. The two horse race was not much better. Ultimately I agree with adamtg in that the whole set up needs to change to level the playing field. This isn't going to happen because Celtic don't want it and bizarrely neither to the rest of the clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Reevesy said: Could you imagine the SFA operating a draft system? Sevco would be given the best players year after year. We'd still be back to a one horse race but a lot more people would be happier with that, funnily enough. Rubbish, if the SFA were that bent then they would have fixed it so that Rangers would have had a whole succession of home ties in the Scottish....oh wait a minute.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, vanderark14 said: The two horse race was not much better. I disagree..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevesy Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Just now, vanderark14 said: Celtic are partly at fault but no more to blame than the rest of the clubs who have allowed scottish football to become a one horse race. The two horse race was not much better. Ultimately I agree with adamtg in that the whole set up needs to change to level the playing field. This isn't going to happen because Celtic don't want it and bizarrely neither to the rest of the clubs. What other leagues in football have a system like the one suggested above? I'm not an aware of any, so harsh to single Scotland out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Reevesy said: Could you imagine the SFA operating a draft system? Sevco would be given the best players year after year. We'd still be back to a one horse race but a lot more people would be happier with that, funnily enough. 5 minutes ago, Blackpool78 said: So what you want is a level playing field to try and help out the other clubs in Scotland, the irony of the post being called Diddums aimed at Celtic no, we want a level playing field to include all clubs in scotland. The best solution for scotland for all clubs to be here with more teams fighting it out for the title. Its not about helping other clubs, its about helping the game as a whole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevesy Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, ShedTA said: Rubbish, if the SFA were that bent then they would have fixed it so that Rangers would have had a whole succession of home ties in the Scottish....oh wait a minute.... That among many, many other things. The fact that they were allowed to skip straight to D3 when they were formed in 2012 is evidence of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Fairbairn said: I disagree..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Reevesy said: What other leagues in football have a system like the one suggested above? I'm not an aware of any, so harsh to single Scotland out. No leagues have that system, my interest is Scottish football. We are unique here with the domination of two clubs and now one. Whats your point? Do you have a suggestion? I assume you are happy with what is currently on offer? Edited February 17, 2017 by vanderark14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevesy Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, vanderark14 said: no, we want a level playing field to include all clubs in scotland. The best solution for scotland for all clubs to be here with more teams fighting it out for the title. Its not about helping other clubs, its about helping the game as a whole You seem to think that most Celtic fans wouldn't enjoy that too. Winning a league with 4/5 genuine contenders would be fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Just now, Reevesy said: You seem to think that most Celtic fans wouldn't enjoy that too. Winning a league with 4/5 genuine contenders would be fantastic. so why are you arguing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Reevesy said: What other leagues in football have a system like the one suggested above? I'm not an aware of any, so harsh to single Scotland out. True, most domestic football leagues in Europe are becoming very one-sided and dull. They have failed to react to the new wealth in the game by ensuring it didn't corrupt competition. They had similar issues in most US sports a few decades back and eventually realised that they would have change or die. I don't think football has come to that realisation yet. The alternative of course, is that it'll just be the clubs outside the very small elite (Celtic may or may not be in there) that will shrivel and die while a handful of super-clubs fill our TV screens from now til eternity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevesy Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Just now, vanderark14 said: Do you have a suggestion? I assume you are happy with what is currently on offer? I've answered that in my above post. My suggestion would be a 16 team league for starters, maybe less games v Celtic would mean teams had a better chance of winning the league. Very few clubs would vote for less games v celtic and Rangers though. All about the ££ for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Reevesy said: That among many, many other things. The fact that they were allowed to skip straight to D3 when they were formed in 2012 is evidence of that I didn't see any of the other clubs including mine or yours arguing against renagers reincarnated being admitted to Div 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool78 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: no, we want a level playing field to include all clubs in scotland. The best solution for scotland for all clubs to be here with more teams fighting it out for the title. Its not about helping other clubs, its about helping the game as a whole why should there be a level playing field though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Reevesy said: I've answered that in my above post. My suggestion would be a 16 team league for starters, maybe less games v Celtic would mean teams had a better chance of winning the league. Very few clubs would vote for less games v celtic and Rangers though. All about the ££ for them simply changing to a 16 team league will do nothing to address the distribution of money in the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevesy Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, vanderark14 said: I didn't see any of the other clubs including mine or yours arguing against renagers reincarnated being admitted to Div 3. That's because the men who run those clubs want a version of Rangers in the league. As for "why am I arguing", I wasn't. Other than against a draft idea, because I wouldn't trust it to be used fairly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Blackpool78 said: why should there be a level playing field though? are you serious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool78 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, vanderark14 said: are you serious? and what do you class as a level playing field? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevesy Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: simply changing to a 16 team league will do nothing to address the distribution of money in the game True but Celtic and Rangers are always going to have more money in gate receipts. I don't know if they could even be told they were going to share that equally with other clubs from a legal point of view? Tv money should always be split equally though. I've always said that. It's not the fault of the other clubs that sky and BT want Celtic or Rangers on ever time they play away from home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Reevesy said: That's because the men who run those clubs want a version of Rangers in the league. As for "why am I arguing", I wasn't. Other than against a draft idea, because I wouldn't trust it to be used fairly. the draft idea is possibly too far, I'd like to see a completely fair distribution of all money to each club. It could be used fairly, if we are going for radical change I would replace the SFA an those in charge of the SPFL like Doncaster. on a side note, your cousins in blue would say the exact thing, they would say any system will favour celtic................and round and round we go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevesy Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Just now, vanderark14 said: the draft idea is possibly too far, I'd like to see a completely fair distribution of all money to each club. It could be used fairly, if we are going for radical change I would replace the SFA an those in charge of the SPFL like Doncaster. on a side note, your cousins in blue would say the exact thing, they would say any system will favour celtic................and round and round we go No cousin of mine wears blue, unless it is a Scotland top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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