Barney Rubble Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Has vacated the premises at the age of 66. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debian Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 The man was a terrorist. No matter what he did in his later life, it doesn't make up for the part he played in the NI horrors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Debian said: The man was a terrorist. No matter what he did in his later life, it doesn't make up for the part he played in the NI horrors. I'd agree with that but it also doesn't mean you can't dismiss out of hand the part he played in bringing a form of peace to Northern Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 If we 6 minutes ago, Debian said: The man was a terrorist. No matter what he did in his later life, it doesn't make up for the part he played in the NI horrors. If we applied that measure of how we engage with political leaders then we would never have engaged with many political leaders of what are view as modern democratic countries. There are many reasons to despise McGuinness but he brought the IRA to the table and I think many in NI from all persuasions will be thankul for that. There will be many who won't be shedding tears and rightly so but these same people probably realise the risk McGuinness took in moving the IRA into a power sharing alliance and also accepting the political reality of NI within the UK for many years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 The BBC just said he was born in "Londonderry". Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 13 minutes ago, adamntg said: The BBC just said he was born in "Londonderry". Ouch. Impartial BBC you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 It always been BBC policy refer to Londonderry in the first reference. Thereafter they use the term Derry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockodile Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 whatever you think of the conflict, MM showed enormous courage to move on from the past and embrace the future, rip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debian Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, aaid said: I'd agree with that but it also doesn't mean you can't dismiss out of hand the part he played in bringing a form of peace to Northern Ireland. I don't dismiss it, as he was pivotal in bringing peace, and I have no doubt that in his passing, the product of his time will continue to serve his country well. 1 hour ago, EddardStark said: If we If we applied that measure of how we engage with political leaders then we would never have engaged with many political leaders of what are view as modern democratic countries. There are many reasons to despise McGuinness but he brought the IRA to the table and I think many in NI from all persuasions will be thankul for that. There will be many who won't be shedding tears and rightly so but these same people probably realise the risk McGuinness took in moving the IRA into a power sharing alliance and also accepting the political reality of NI within the UK for many years to come. That's a very valid point Eddard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, EddardStark said: It always been BBC policy refer to Londonderry in the first reference. Thereafter they use the term Derry. Aye. Funnily enough I just found that out off a mate at the weekend. No doubt McGuinness was involved in some pretty bad things in his youth but fair play to him for putting it behind him and making friends of former enemies for the good of his country. I heard a radio programme recently about comedy in Belfast and one of the main takeaways from it was that the nature of humour has changed amongst young people there, as they have grown up in a very different environment to a time when deaths in Ulster were headline news most nights of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Found this paragraph interesting on the BBC report this morning. But his leadership potential was spotted early and he was just 22 when he and Gerry Adams were flown to London for secret talks with the British government: MI5 considered him serious officer material with strategic vision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 hours ago, Barney Rubble said: Has vacated the premises at the age of 66. Somewhere in Manchester Pistonbroke has cracked open the bubbly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 20 minutes ago, Nobby said: Somewhere in Manchester Pistonbroke has cracked open the bubbly A normal day in Didsbury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 A bit of footage kicking on the news at the moment from the 70s/80s with IRA men parading in the full black outfit, balaclava, sunglasses and berets. I can well remember how intimidating and scary that looked at the time which I guess was the point. Watching it now, the first thing that came into my mind was that they looked like they were wearing those full body lyrca suits and how ridiculous they appear nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 hours ago, EddardStark said: It always been BBC policy refer to Londonderry in the first reference. Thereafter they use the term Derry. I see Derry City's fitba' captain has just died at only 27. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 47 minutes ago, Nobby said: Somewhere in Manchester Pistonbroke has cracked open the bubbly In the House of Lords too... http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15170373.Lord_Tebbit_hopes_McGuinness_is_in__particularly_hot_and_unpleasant_corner_of_hell_/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just now, Toepoke said: In the House of Lords too... http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15170373.Lord_Tebbit_hopes_McGuinness_is_in__particularly_hot_and_unpleasant_corner_of_hell_/ He's probably in a slightly cooler bit than Thatcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Making out he was a peacemaker is a little misleading, I mean the UK special forces had infiltrated the PIRA on his watch, leaving him no other option but to pursue a politics only agenda. Good riddance, I hope it's hot down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevesy Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 RIP Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Chief said: Making out he was a peacemaker is a little misleading, I mean the UK special forces had infiltrated the PIRA on his watch, leaving him no other option but to pursue a politics only agenda. Good riddance, I hope it's hot down there. Exactly why he did it. Coward to the core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevesy Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Ormond said: I see Derry City's fitba' captain has just died at only 27. Ryan McBride, who was a relative of Martin McGuinness too apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark frae Crieff Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 So will we finally find out if he was "Steak knife"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Chief said: Making out he was a peacemaker is a little misleading, I mean the UK special forces had infiltrated the PIRA on his watch, leaving him no other option but to pursue a politics only agenda. Good riddance, I hope it's hot down there. Rumous going around for years that either MM or the bearded one works for the security services hence why they've always avoided prosecution. Anyway I hope it was a slow and painful death. My thoughts are with the victims of his death squads who never got to see their kids grow up or get to see Marty jailed for his actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, Mark frae Crieff said: So will we finally find out if he was "Steak knife"? He avoided the inevitable somehow. but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 6 hours ago, Debian said: The man was a terrorist. No matter what he did in his later life, it doesn't make up for the part he played in the NI horrors. 1 hour ago, Chief said: Making out he was a peacemaker is a little misleading, I mean the UK special forces had infiltrated the PIRA on his watch, leaving him no other option but to pursue a politics only agenda. Good riddance, I hope it's hot down there. 36 minutes ago, Reevesy said: RIP Martin 35 minutes ago, BlueGaz said: Exactly why he did it. Coward to the core. 14 minutes ago, dave said: Anyway I hope it was a slow and painful death. My thoughts are with the victims of his death squads who never got to see their kids grow up or get to see Marty jailed for his actions. I can't remember what the thread was about, but remember a discussion about fans of either side of the old firm largely following the party line when it came to politics etc. With the exception of Eddard, not much to dispel that theory in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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