neil r Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) "numbnut" Ragin' Hun. Edited March 29, 2017 by neil r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaddypeekey Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Just now, BlueGaz said: I have shaddy, many times, and agree with him.  I don't disagree he was wrong, but I think serving his time on a manslaughter charge as he has done, is the right sentence and sentiment. To call a serving Royal in a war situation a murderer is wrong though. The FOB they were operating from was under constant duress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 1 minute ago, shaddypeekey said: I don't disagree he was wrong, but I think serving his time on a manslaughter charge as he has done, is the right sentence and sentiment. To call a serving Royal in a war situation a murderer is wrong though. The FOB they were operating from was under constant duress. Yes, but right or wrong in this situation we have RoE and he broke those.  What was the threat from the individual at the time he shot him?  He was done for manslaughter so him being released is right obviously, according to our system.  The argument [a pointless one now I suppose] is whether he should have been convicted of murder or manslaughter.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 47 minutes ago, BlueGaz said: As another point of pedantry, you should really be more specific about 'who' went over with murder in mind, because I can assure you not all troops deployed with murder in mind, including some RM's. Â Some in fact, the exact opposite. Where did you read about the right way and wrong way to kill someone? Â Would be interested to read that. Wars make murderers of almost all participants. They can dress it up anyway they want but you try and bloody your opponent more, so you can win the peace by being in a stronger place to negotiate. This generally means killing a lot of people. You cite them yourself the "rules of engagement" or ROE as you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, phart said: Wars make murderers of almost all participants. I couldn't disagree more in modern warfare, specifically Iraq and Afghanistan in this case. Â I would argue the majority of troops and support are not involved in killing. Â Those that are, are in a minority. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Is man slaughter not more apt if he did it by accident or as a result of some sort of negligence? Sounds very much like murder to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, BlueGaz said: I couldn't disagree more in modern warfare, specifically Iraq and Afghanistan in this case.  I would argue the majority of troops and support are not involved in killing.  Those that are, are in a minority.  Auld Blackman has killed "30 for his country". He must have been a busy boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Just now, Squirrelhumper said: Auld Blackman has killed "30 for his country". He must have been a busy boy. If that stat is correct, then yes he was, the number doesn't surprise me though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, sbcmfc said: Is man slaughter not more apt if he did it by accident or as a result of some sort of negligence? Sounds very much like murder to me. it is murder, no matter how it's dressed up.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Whatever the rights and wrongs of what he did (it reads like murder to me, but I'm no expert and haven't seen all the evidence) the actions of his supporters outside of the court were totally misjudged, to put it as mildly as I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Pool Q said: Whatever the rights and wrongs of what he did (it reads like murder to me, but I'm no expert and haven't seen all the evidence) the actions of his supporters outside of the court were totally misjudged, to put it as mildly as I can.   I can understand why those close to him were elated.  But you are right, would have been far better to move away from the spotlight and do whatever they wanted to do in private.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 As the man was suffering from PTSD when he committed manslaughter, should we not be focusing on how the Military assesses the mental health of its employees before sending them into harms way? Under law he has served (or will have) served his time. There should be valuable lessons learnt in how the Military addresses my first point so that this doesn't happen again. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bristolhibby said: As the man was suffering from PTSD when he committed manslaughter, should we not be focusing on how the Military assesses the mental health of its employees before sending them into harms way? Under law he has served (or will have) served his time. There should be valuable lessons learnt in how the Military addresses my first point so that this doesn't happen again. J Absolutely. Â The support for it and other issues too is so bad, which is why we have so many charities set up. Â Ok, I disagree with all the Hero advertising which surrounds many of the charities, but this gets them a lot of funds which helps. Â Its a shame that so many rely on charities for this help, but unfortunately it is vital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 1 hour ago, BlueGaz said: I couldn't disagree more in modern warfare, specifically Iraq and Afghanistan in this case. Â I would argue the majority of troops and support are not involved in killing. Â Those that are, are in a minority. Â Not involved? They provide the logistics for the killing, which is the mechanism in which wars are fought, loads of folk go and kill folk they have never met cause someone tells them to. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 16 minutes ago, phart said: Not involved? They provide the logistics for the killing, which is the mechanism in which wars are fought, loads of folk go and kill folk they have never met cause someone tells them to.  So a chef and a VM go to Afghanistan with murder in mind?  BS.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 2 hours ago, neil r said: "numbnut" Ragin' Hun. Ragin' Hun. Â Â Â Half wit, half right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacTaz Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 On 29/03/2017 at 10:14 AM, Parklife said: He's a murderer and should be treated as such IMO. Ah you mean like this man ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacTaz Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 On 29/03/2017 at 2:21 PM, shaddypeekey said: I don't disagree he was wrong, but I think serving his time on a manslaughter charge as he has done, is the right sentence and sentiment. To call a serving Royal in a war situation a murderer is wrong though. The FOB they were operating from was under constant duress. I know where you live ....LoL  Hello sailor ....bwahahahaha  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 9 minutes ago, MacTaz said: Ah you mean like this man ? Quite probably, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevesy Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 26 minutes ago, MacTaz said: Ah you mean like this man ? The difference being is the man in the pic was defending his own country, not shooting brown people for fun abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Reevesy said: The difference being is the man in the pic was defending his own country, not shooting brown people for fun abroad. You've obviously been on the coke again. Your kids must be very proud to have a terrorist loving junkie as a father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Using a mans kids as a weapon on a message board. This place does have some unsavory characters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 minute ago, phart said: Using a mans kids as a weapon on a message board. This place does have some unsavory characters A junkie who supports IRA death squads who have murdered innocent children must be a good guy though. Aye ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevesy Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, dave said: You've obviously been on the coke again. Your kids must be very proud to have a terrorist loving junkie as a father.  And good afternoon to you too, sir.  Your patter isn't very original though, I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 43 minutes ago, dave said: You've obviously been on the coke again. Your kids must be very proud to have a terrorist loving junkie as a father.  36 minutes ago, dave said: A junkie who supports IRA death squads who have murdered innocent children must be a good guy though. Aye ok. Deary me. What a horrible individual you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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