exile Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 18 minutes ago, aaid said: Brian Taylor going a bit off message on Reporting Scotland right now. Whats all this "the SNP are the clear winners" nonsense., You may be pleased to see the Guardian is as sour and grudging as we've come to expect "Sturgeon hails 'victory' despite SNP failure to win overall majorities" They just had to get "SNP failure" in there somewhere. So the Guardian, facing a dismal/disastrous result for Labour, and the LibDems in the doldrums, can only find comfort for the Tories' ('victorious?) performance overshadowing the SNP. What do they actually want? it's as if they'd actually rather the Tories took seats off SNP at Westminster... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Part of the problem, without a doubt, is that in the lead up to the indy ref and since then, conservatism and unionism has been normalised. The media and scottish print are complicit in making the working class of Glasgow in particular believe that the tories are their only option. Turkeys voting for christmas, its f u cking shameful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Ravenscraig with a Tory cooncilor. Feck me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 13 minutes ago, Ormond said: Ravenscraig with a Tory cooncilor. Feck me. Its almost laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Still trying to get my head round a Tory being elected in Feegie. Had to just check the calendar to make sure it wasn't April Fools Day. And Ravenscraig for that matter. Auld Tommy Brennan must be turning in his grave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, King Of Paisley said: Still trying to get my head round a Tory being elected in Feegie. Had to just check the calendar to make sure it wasn't April Fools Day. And Ravenscraig for that matter. Auld Tommy Brennan must be turning in his grave It depends on what the support for the union and on exiting Europe is though. If there is a strong pocket here it is no surprise they got in. Edited May 5, 2017 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 18 minutes ago, King Of Paisley said: Still trying to get my head round a Tory being elected in Feegie. Had to just check the calendar to make sure it wasn't April Fools Day. And Ravenscraig for that matter. Auld Tommy Brennan must be turning in his grave There needs to be a reminder posted theough every single door in previous industrial heartlands of what a tory government looks like... i cant see why its not played on more often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 21 minutes ago, King Of Paisley said: Still trying to get my head round a Tory being elected in Feegie. Had to just check the calendar to make sure it wasn't April Fools Day. And Ravenscraig for that matter. Auld Tommy Brennan must be turning in his grave Could nae believe that myself was in the gym earlier and was watching BBC news nearly fell aff the treadmill when I heard that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 45 minutes ago, Ormond said: Ravenscraig with a Tory cooncilor. Feck me. The ward is even called Motherwell south east and Ravenscraig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) So... is it a great day to be alive. Get used to this... the left have ffukked themselves and this is just the start of their mad chickens coming home to roost. The SNP need to represent the right as eagerly they do the left. Pandering to what sounds good, what folk cheer is easy. Get an edge to yourselves FFS. Wake up. Edited May 5, 2017 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 What does the right represent though? At the moment it would seem to be bolshe Brits spoiling for a fight with the EU over Brexit. It is why the Tories have hoovered up UKIP voters. I'd sooner not appeal to that kind of pond life voters thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 3 hours ago, PapofGlencoe said: I think telling the Tories they are scum is exactly what's needed.Contorting themselves into voting Tory? These voters should be made very aware of exactly what they've voted for. Call it out for what it is. I was just meaning that screaming ' they are horrible Tories how could you?' will do nothing to get the voters attention. Systematically showing their policies up for what they are in an attempt to make the voter consider what they have actually voted for, and the long term implications, will be more effective. I believe is what you feel too. If they are a traditional labour voter and are still not convinced then the Union takes precedence and there is nothing you can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 2 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said: No thats one thing i do not have, tunnel vision.IMO instead of sturgeon popping up in other EU coutries grand standing ect. She should have came out and said that the party and scotland did not vote to leave and if we are not treated fairly we would hold the right to call a referendum. Time would then have done our work for us instead of her ramming it down everyones vote every other day,,, I honestly think shes directing us the other way from independence,, you've done yer job..you can stop now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Two top notch tory posters on here... Charlie and Flora. I miss them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, thplinth said: Two top notch tory posters on here... Charlie and Flora. I miss them. Flora's nae a Tory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, King Of Paisley said: Flora's nae a Tory Yes he is. He is an (SNP) Tory. Meaning he has put it one side to get our more important business done first. But he is defo tory. I am sure of it. Let him tell me I am wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Who gives a shite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 It was just a wee laugh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 58 minutes ago, thplinth said: So... is it a great day to be alive. Get used to this... the left have ffukked themselves and this is just the start of their mad chickens coming home to roost. The SNP need to represent the right as eagerly they do the left. Pandering to what sounds good, what folk cheer is easy. Get an edge to yourselves FFS. Wake up. How do the SNP appeal to the right without going down the 'We once ruled the empire, it's Rule Britannia vs Europe' route? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 34 minutes ago, Mox said: How do the SNP appeal to the right without going down the 'We once ruled the empire, it's Rule Britannia vs Europe' route? Salmond was very good at appealing to centre right and buisness,, but still managed to keep his politics firmly in the centre,Salmond's politics suited me more than any other politician,, its no surprise that i would be slightly more right than most on this board, maybe why i get a bit of greif now and again,,,the party need to start reaching out to that centre right leaning voters again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 2012 SNP 31 seats ahead of runner-up Lab 2017 SNP 155 seats ahead of runner-up Con Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 3 hours ago, flumax said: SNP largest by 31 seats in 2012, 155 2017 3 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: 2012 SNP 31 seats ahead of runner-up Lab 2017 SNP 155 seats ahead of runner-up Con Where'd you get that info from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 32 minutes ago, Mox said: How do the SNP appeal to the right without going down the 'We once ruled the empire, it's Rule Britannia vs Europe' route? I think you're playing on a bit of an overly dramatic stereotype of 'the right'. There's plenty of (centre-)'right' votes that SNP can get within reason. It takes being honest with themselves that things like the £43k tax threshold differing from UK doesn't help & there's other policies they would need question themselves on. Failure on CAP payments doesn't help. Mixed messages on EU for fishing communities doesn't help. Demonising Tories as the enemy in Indyref was one of the SNP's biggest mistakes. It alienated a sizeable % of voters in Scotland and was very short-term in vision. It turned off many aspiring middle classes wealth creators who felt they were being swept towards a socialist country as all the sounds from SNP were geared towards mopping up the masses of the Labour vote. Political parties play the percentages and SNP thought that was their best chance of victory. Maybe it was, but they drew a line in the sand for Tory voters. They have repeated the same mistake with Brexit/Leave voters by being so strong in their position. Again it has resulted in a %age of Scottish voters feeling backed into a corner. They thought they'd get a Brexit bounce but it's been net neutral. They should really have had the completeness of vision to adopt EFTA as an obvious middle ground. The whole shitfest of the situation now with Davidson & the Tories purposeful Ulsterisation of Scottish politics is just crap. The GE is going to be the final nail and then it's a case of buckle yourself in for 5 more years of crap. I can't help wishing that Scottish Labour had the backbone to have allowed some honest and open Yes support in their ranks during Indyref and equally had anything/something constructive to say as a voice on the Brexit debate at UK level then we'd not be where we are just now. They've been on the sidelines since 2014 and it plays into Tory hands at every level of UK politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 2 hours ago, King Of Paisley said: Still trying to get my head round a Tory being elected in Feegie. Had to just check the calendar to make sure it wasn't April Fools Day. And Ravenscraig for that matter. Auld Tommy Brennan must be turning in his grave Tommy's no' deid, is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, flumax said: Where'd you get that info from twatter apologies x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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