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This election result alone will demonstrate how far apart Scotland has drifted politically from the rest of the UK. I expect the SNP to win around 50 of 59 seats in Scotland with the Tories winning 4 at absolute most. However, the Tories are being tipped across the UK to win by an increased majority. In short the rest of the UK are happy to vote Tory whilst Scots are not.

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1 hour ago, irnbruman said:

Scottish people who are changing from Labour to Tory - just completely wrong.

As an ex labour supporter (as statistically most in Scotland once were) I used to think how could someone flip to narrow nationalism was completely wrong... It happens 

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12 minutes ago, flumax said:

As an ex labour supporter (as statistically most in Scotland once were) I used to think how could someone flip to narrow nationalism was completely wrong... It happens 

As someone who resembles that remark, I think the two circumstances are very different.

The constitution aside, there really isn't a lot of difference between the policies of Labour and the SNP, really you are only talking about levels of detail and slightly varying priorities.   Once you get around the suspicion of Nationalism and realise that the only way to have a chance of having a state that comes anywhere close to enacting those policies is independence, it's not that difficult.  Both the Labour Party and the SNP are pretty broad churches and unless you're at the extremes you'll find a place.  The issue of solidarity still troubles me but I came to realise you can't impose a government on a country that doesn't want it.

I can only imagine the mental gymnastics that a former Labour supporter has to go through to justify voting Tory.  I know that I could never do it.

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38 minutes ago, aaid said:

The issue of solidarity still troubles me but I came to realise you can't impose a government on a country that doesn't want it..

I think maybe the best thing for the left in England is a near northern neighbour which embodies 'progressive' values and actually works.

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2 hours ago, Alan said:

I'm laughing at the 2 who voted against as they know they'll be looking for a bew scam soon.

What do you think of Lesley's accurate comments ?

Happy with that ?

 

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2 hours ago, Alan said:

I'm laughing at the 2 who voted against as they know they'll be looking for a bew scam soon.

If the Labour party had abstained like the SNP or indeed voted No, Teresa May would have had to push for a vote of no confidence in her Government to get the General Election

 

I voted no against #GE17 - this is a time for leadership from the opposition not abstention

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55 minutes ago, Bristolhibby said:

A true Labour government can only exist in an independent Scotland. 

The Corbyn Labour doesn't stand a chance down here, and New Labour is just a centerist party.

J

So why are current Labour on a hiding to nothing while the New Labour mirror aka SNP popular?  It's amazing how nationalists will convince themselves they are "real" Labour especially those who have lived in England for decades.

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1 hour ago, aaid said:

 

I can only imagine the mental gymnastics that a former Labour supporter has to go through to justify voting Tory.  I know that I could never do it.

This is the crux of it. How someone can park socialism for conservatism overnight is beyond me...i accept the gradual change with age with a dabble for the lib dems in between, but too flip seems odd

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23 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

What do you think of Lesley's accurate comments ?

Happy with that ?

 

Why introduce her as voting for independence. May as well say born in England raised in Northern Ireland and educated in Wales.. Prime the audience before you start. 

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11 minutes ago, flumax said:

Why introduce her as voting for independence. May as well say born in England raised in Northern Ireland and educated in Wales.. Prime the audience before you start. 

Thats the impartial BBC for you

Just look at the main BBC Scotland Newspage

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scotland

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27 minutes ago, flumax said:

Why introduce her as voting for independence. May as well say born in England raised in Northern Ireland and educated in Wales.. Prime the audience before you start. 

If you get a chance, have a look at Daily Politics Scotland on iPlayer from earlier today.  A really good discussion with Lesley and Davie Clegg from the Record - who was also pretty good - and Gordon Brewer introduces her as simply "political commentator".  She expands on a lot of stuff from the earlier clip and has some interesting things to say about a potential SNP/Green electoral alliance. 

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11 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

He's talking to you Alan

Talking to YOU

 

Well said that man after watching the documentary on channel 4 tonight about the dire mess the tories have left the NHS in l hope Corbin and co use it against this heinous government 

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Jo Swinson is taking on John Nicolson again on a Pro UK and Pro EU ticket

That shows what she thinks of the electorate's intelligence

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4 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

What do you think of Lesley's accurate comments ?

Happy with that ?

 

 

2014: Scotland should be at the heart of the UK, even leading the UK,

2017: Scots MPs (58/59) are part of the problem, to be silenced and crushed.

 

 

 

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So there's all this talk of whether the SNP should go into the election on an outright independence ticket or not.

I'm wondering if there's a third way, like, the equivalent of "in the event of Scotland being dragged out the EU against her will." That clause meant that SNP not seen to be too prematurely agitating for indyref2, unless the unthinkable happened and the s---hit the fan. Which it duly did.

So what would be the GE2017 equivalent? That GE2017 snp majority taken as mandate to directly negotiate independence if indyref2 not granted before Brexit?

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The Sco/UK constituencies aren't the same, and whilst I'm in doubt there will be swing 'away' from the SNP, I think the party have a strong chance of holding a huge number of seats.

I live and grew up in an SNP stronghold, and it's all up to us. Whilst the SNP have been less than revolutionary at local level, who do you really want - Tory or SNP? And by abstaining/cannae be arsed, but could be in 2015, will bring the SNP the 5-10 losses.

So get on your mum/dad/pal's arse at get him voting. Whilst there are huge parts of the SNP they can be disappointment with ; mon' this is a different vote altogether.

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