kumnio Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 9 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Jo Swinson is taking on John Nicolson again on a Pro UK and Pro EU ticket That shows what she thinks of the electorate's intelligence I got in trouble on twitter calling her, and her party political prostitutes after the student fees fiasco. Really can't stand Swinson, absolute utter idiot of an MP. I do hope that the LDs make a few gains in England though. As much as they are utterly dislikable, still better than the Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 10 hours ago, aaid said: If you get a chance, have a look at Daily Politics Scotland on iPlayer from earlier today. A really good discussion with Lesley and Davie Clegg from the Record - who was also pretty good - and Gordon Brewer introduces her as simply "political commentator". She expands on a lot of stuff from the earlier clip and has some interesting things to say about a potential SNP/Green electoral alliance. Starts 08:45 in for anyone else interested. Some interesting ideas Inc Joint manifesto. What does the difference between 50-59 seats mean. Good show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 18 minutes ago, kumnio said: I got in trouble on twitter calling her, and her party political prostitutes after the student fees fiasco. Really can't stand Swinson, absolute utter idiot of an MP. I think i'm going to be the same with Corbyn and his Indy Scotland turbo charged austerity horseshit Came out with that again yesterday along with accusing the SNP of being right wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 SNP is Authoritarian not right wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, phart said: SNP is Authoritarian not right wing. Tweet him and tell him it's like Stalin's Russia up here Edited April 20, 2017 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 54 minutes ago, phart said: SNP is Authoritarian not right wing. Slightly authoritarian but a lot less than any other major party apart from Greens. https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 21 minutes ago, aaid said: Slightly authoritarian but a lot less than any other major party apart from Greens. https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015 Yeah it's all relative. The context is Corbyn's position. From say Tory they are Libertarian. From the graph provided there is greater distance between the greens and the SNP than the SNP and the other parties. In that context SNP is pretty neutral, the middle point between the most Libertarian and Authoritarian. Depends on the weighting of policy etc, regarding the graph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Corbyn's speech and interviews today have been impressive. Sticking to the social and economic reality of another 5 years of Tory Govt. He is also making a play for the young voter as well as the remainers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 12 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Jo Swinson is taking on John Nicolson again on a Pro UK and Pro EU ticket That shows what she thinks of the electorate's intelligence It was a big No / Remain constituency, she could have a chance there. Nicolson's media profile might work in his favour though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 24 minutes ago, Toepoke said: It was a big No / Remain constituency, she could have a chance there. Nicolson's media profile might work in his favour though... Yes The point being you cant be both Pro UK and Pro EU If you are in the UK you are leaving the EU. Period Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Yes The point being you cant be both Pro UK and Pro EU If you are in the UK you are leaving the EU. Period They are hoping to win seats down south on a Pro EU ticket. And it might work? They have a history of getting folk to vote for them based on promises that they can't deliver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: The point being you cant be both Pro UK and Pro EU If you are in the UK you are leaving the EU. Period You can still be pro EU after Brexit though. A lot may depend on how the Lib Dems set out their stall campaigning for B-Re-entry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: Yes The point being you cant be both Pro UK and Pro EU If you are in the UK you are leaving the EU. Period You can be both pro-EU and pro-UK, that's a perfectly valid point of view to have. Problem is that you can't *have* both and so there is a choice to be made. The Lib Dems will try and fudge this but the reality is the Brexit ship has sailed. In 2015, a lot of the individual SNP candidates were unknowns before the election and it really was a case of the SNP's post IndyRef momentum sweeping all before them. When Ashcroft carried out the individual constituency polls in Scotland, the SNP were predicted to take Douglas Alexander's seat - which Mhairi Black ultimately took - before the candidate was selected. Now it's a bit different that all - Glasgow East and Edinburgh West aside - are known entities and to an extent they will be fighting on their on records alongside national politics. That probably works in the SNP's favour as unless there is a change in the general political mood - as in 2015 - or the sitting MP has a bad record locally, it's very difficult to unseat an incumbent. Edited April 20, 2017 by aaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, phart said: SNP is Authoritarian not right wing. You are a fart not a phart. Edited April 20, 2017 by weekevie04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Nick Robinson's impartiality under scrutiny again ..... http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/bbcs-nick-robinson-embroiled-in-impartiality-row-over-jeremy-corbyn-tweet-a3519281.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: Nick Robinson's impartiality under scrutiny again ..... http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/bbcs-nick-robinson-embroiled-in-impartiality-row-over-jeremy-corbyn-tweet-a3519281.html If I was diagnosed with a terminal illness tomorrow I'd give serious thought to finding this khunt and "thrashing him to within an inch of his life". I despise him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnbruman Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 15 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: Nick Robinson's impartiality under scrutiny again ..... http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/bbcs-nick-robinson-embroiled-in-impartiality-row-over-jeremy-corbyn-tweet-a3519281.html He should have been sacked after his report on Alex Salmond's speech in the referendum. He did a facebook question page - had a go at him where he tried to apololgise - at least I got to swear at him personally. Kuonsberg bias as well -so vehemently anti Corbyn - you can see the venom in her every time she talks about him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Katy Clark supposed to be keen on getting the nomination for the Liverpool Walton constituency (one of Labour's safest seats) as the current MP is standing down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Corbyns brother was quoted yesterday saying that the BBC where nasty bastards and they where out to get him i.e. Robinson and kuenssberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 1 hour ago, ErsatzThistle said: Nick Robinson's impartiality under scrutiny again ..... http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/bbcs-nick-robinson-embroiled-in-impartiality-row-over-jeremy-corbyn-tweet-a3519281.html Just a wee look at his background on wiki should tell you he's a red hot tory. "Robinson was a founder-member of Macclesfield Young Conservatives (YC) and rose through the ranks, becoming Cheshire YC Chairman (1982–84) and became a key activist in the moderate-controlled North West Area organisation. Philip Pedley, as National YC Chairman, co-opted Robinson onto the YC National Advisory Committee in 1983 and appointed him National Campaign Director of Youth for Multilateral Disarmament. Robinson was elected National Vice Chairman in 1985–87 and succeeded a fellow moderate, Richard Fuller, when he was elected Chairman of the National Young Conservatives on the moderate ticket against strong right-wing opposition (1987–88).[6] At university he was President of the Oxford University Conservative Association in 1985.[7][8]" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 1 hour ago, ErsatzThistle said: Nick Robinson's impartiality under scrutiny again ..... http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/bbcs-nick-robinson-embroiled-in-impartiality-row-over-jeremy-corbyn-tweet-a3519281.html Watch these kind of stories dry up when Gideon takes the reigns at the Standard full time. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 2 hours ago, wheres the pies said: Corbyns brother was quoted yesterday saying that the BBC where nasty bastards and they where out to get him i.e. Robinson and kuenssberg I'm not saying that the BBC aren't out to get Corbyn but his brother is a complete loop the loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Ruth Davidson just got a bit of a kicking on the BBC UK News there over the rape clause. Didn't see that coming, I wonder if the honeymoon is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 " Youth for Multilateral Disarmament " ?!?! Were there really students who sign up for this? Why? Most folk were idealists when I was young. I can only think that they saw themselves as Tory cabinet ministers some day? Robinson must be so bitter now since he sees himself as a failure. ...I'm pish at debating. I just get someone saying something to me so far away from what I think should be normal, that I get my gast flabbered such that I don't know what to say to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 1 hour ago, aaid said: Ruth Davidson just got a bit of a kicking on the BBC UK News there over the rape clause. Didn't see that coming, I wonder if the honeymoon is over. By whom? Delicious to see she got a roasting at FMQs on the issue. I'm beginning to wonder if folk are starting to see through the caring, centrist Tory facade for the nasty, uncaring xenophobic that she is. For me, this is an open goal for the SNP. An opportunity to demonise her on a scale that is reserved for the likes of Foot, Kinnock and Corby by the right wing media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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