Caledonian Craig Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, aaid said: That's impossible and even if it were inserted it would be easily overturned in the courts if required. It's a well-established principle in the UK constitution that no government can tie the hands of a future government. Such a clause would be unconstitutional. Yes that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. I really do feel that whilst there are such a large number in support of independence it should remain a relevance and be discussed. I openly say if support for independence was categorically shown to have fallen to a level circa the early 1980s then it should not be pushed for or referendums called for. I'd concede then that it should be put on a back burner for future generations should it see another rise in support for independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockodile Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 9 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Yes that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. I really do feel that whilst there are such a large number in support of independence it should remain a relevance and be discussed. I openly say if support for independence was categorically shown to have fallen to a level circa the early 1980s then it should not be pushed for or referendums called for. I'd concede then that it should be put on a back burner for future generations should it see another rise in support for independence. One positive side of the recent Tory revival it is to make abundantly clear that Indyref2, when it does come, will be no walk in the park. It is totally winnable but we are still underdogs, which is useful to remember. Next time really is win or bust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 18 minutes ago, jockodile said: It is totally winnable but we are still underdogs, which is useful to remember. This line of your post prompted me to check the latest odds from the bookies on the future indyref. Can't find odds offered from any of them, the market seems to be suspended. Wonder if that's due to the 'Tory surge'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Dave78 said: This line of your post prompted me to check the latest odds from the bookies on the future indyref. Can't find odds offered from any of them, the market seems to be suspended. Wonder if that's due to the 'Tory surge'. Eric Joyce getting some bookies numbers some how http://www.ericjoyce.co.uk/2017/05/the-bookies-have-scottish-tories-taking-just-2-seats-from-snp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 I posted a bit back - maybe 2 weeks ago - that William Hill had the SNP to win every Scottish seat at only 3/1. It's now 11/4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: I posted a bit back - maybe 2 weeks ago - that William Hill had the SNP to win every Scottish seat at only 3/1. It's now 11/4 No doubt in reaction to seeing the SNP vote hold up on Thursday. The odds on the future indyref though... Yes was odds on, now i can't find the market. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Dave78 said: No doubt in reaction to seeing the SNP vote hold up on Thursday. The odds on the future indyref though... Yes was odds on, now i can't find the market. Why? Maybe this is why lol Ross ColquhounVerified account @rosscolquhoun 75% of No voters (2014) didn't vote for Tories at #Council17. Quite the statistic considering their core campaign message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Ross ColquhounVerified account @rosscolquhoun Another way of looking at it is that over 1 million No voters (2014) didn't bother to send a message to @theSNP about #ScotRef via Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockodile Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 The Labour party of course are the real losers here. For all Kezia's speech the other week was fantastic they are fast becoming a complete irrelevance. The more pandas jibe might be theirs alone in a month's time. And it has zilch to do with Corbyn, it was that dancing on Sept 19th 2014. Surely bar the most heels dug in types can see their way forward from here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 6 hours ago, jockodile said: The Labour party of course are the real losers here. For all Kezia's speech the other week was fantastic they are fast becoming a complete irrelevance. The more pandas jibe might be theirs alone in a month's time. And it has zilch to do with Corbyn, it was that dancing on Sept 19th 2014. Surely bar the most heels dug in types can see their way forward from here? The question I've been asking myself recently is "who actually votes Labour in Scotland anymore?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 3 hours ago, aaid said: The question I've been asking myself recently is "who actually votes Labour in Scotland anymore?" Socialist unionists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) After the council elections Dugdale attacks Independence and the SNP which continues to alienate her to half of Scotland After the council elections and while Nicola Sturgeon is being interviewed by the BBC, John McDonnell does the exact same - SNP are on the wain, no appetite for 2nd referendum , Independence backlash etc With regards Scotland dont be fooled that English Labour are less rabid about it being Independent. I have had enough of giving Corbyn the benefit of the doubt Edited May 7, 2017 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 18 hours ago, jockodile said: One positive side of the recent Tory revival it is to make abundantly clear that Indyref2, when it does come, will be no walk in the park. It is totally winnable but we are still underdogs, which is useful to remember. Next time really is win or bust The other thing about these results for voters in Scotland is that it's now a clear choice of futures. Either vote SNP for a progressive independent Scotland or vote Conservative and get shackled to an increasingly regressive right wing insular UK. Labour are not going to be in power for at least five years and by that time boundary changes will have b benefited the Tories and the great Lib Dem revival has got stuck in first gear. Voters in Scotland have got a choice, pity voters in England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Who would vote for this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDange Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 The SNP need to adopt some tactics of the other parties in the next elections as they clearly work. Something like a you're not voting Tory to stop IndyRef2 - you're voting for: bedroom tax, rape clause, war on the poor and disabled, tax breaks for millionaires and countless other bottom of the food chain policies. Maybe that might encourage some folk to realise what they are actually voting for. We should also introduce some kind of pre-qual at the polling station to make people prove they know what they are about to cast a vote for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, McDange said: The SNP need to adopt some tactics of the other parties in the next elections as they clearly work. Something like a you're not voting Tory to stop IndyRef2 - you're voting for: bedroom tax, rape clause, war on the poor and disabled, tax breaks for millionaires and countless other bottom of the food chain policies. Maybe that might encourage some folk to realise what they are actually voting for. We should also introduce some kind of pre-qual at the polling station to make people prove they know what they are about to cast a vote for. The snp campaign will be different this time round, it will show the tories for what they really are,, the snp have been too polite of late, IMO it needs to tap into the patriotic scot as well even play on the scotland england game thats happens two days before the vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, McDange said: The SNP need to adopt some tactics of the other parties in the next elections as they clearly work. Something like a you're not voting Tory to stop IndyRef2 - you're voting for: bedroom tax, rape clause, war on the poor and disabled, tax breaks for millionaires and countless other bottom of the food chain policies. Maybe that might encourage some folk to realise what they are actually voting for. We should also introduce some kind of pre-qual at the polling station to make people prove they know what they are about to cast a vote for. Yes that sounds good. I mean everyone knows how the SNP are pushing for IndyRef2 so if votes can be won by showing people what they'd lose by voting Tory then all well and good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 17 minutes ago, McDange said: We should also introduce some kind of pre-qual at the polling station to make people prove they know what they are about to cast a vote for. Not sure if you're serious there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 @thplinth I feel so badly for all these rich people who're being penalised by progressive taxation... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/07/brexit-boom-creates-record-number-of-uk-billionaires-sunday-times-rich-list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 32 minutes ago, Parklife said: @thplinth I feel so badly for all these rich people who're being penalised by progressive taxation... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/07/brexit-boom-creates-record-number-of-uk-billionaires-sunday-times-rich-list Sigh. All the people on that list are able to buy the best legal and tax planning advice. Everything will be structured to minimise tax. And if it is still too high they can simply relocate to a fair tax jurisdiction. The people who can't do either of the above are folk earning 45k say. Feel sorry for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 1 hour ago, thplinth said: Sigh. All the people on that list are able to buy the best legal and tax planning advice. Everything will be structured to minimise tax. And if it is still too high they can simply relocate to a fair tax jurisdiction. The people who can't do either of the above are folk earning 45k say. Feel sorry for them? I'm one of them and I think I pay too little tax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Parklife said: I'm one of them and I think I pay too little tax I opt for a couple % payroll giving each month as a personal guilt tax. Works out as 1h work per month (after tax relief) going to charity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Parklife said: I'm one of them and I think I pay too little tax Ohhhh... But talk is cheap. Have you tried to send HMRC more tax at the level you think would be personally right? Maybe they would not cash the cheque but have you at least sent it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 I thought the "Scottish jobs sacrificed for UKIP votes" is good and needs to be repeated ad nauseum It's just wee things like this that stick in folks minds Billboards, posters, leaflets etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 The SNP party political broadcast for the GE is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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