ErsatzThistle Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 The Greens standing in only 3 constituencies should help the SNP as long as the Green voters don't either stay at home or vote Labour/Lib-Dem. There were 1,345 Green voters in Moray and 1,146 Green voters in Perth and North Perthshire for example that could tip the balance if most of them turn to the SNP. I've heard that the Green's have also asked their party members, if they are personally willing, in the Highlands and the Islands constituencies to assist the SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html "THERESA MAY TO CREATE NEW INTERNET THAT WOULD BE CONTROLLED AND REGULATED BY GOVERNMENT" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 3 hours ago, phart said: You mean scunnered doesn't like him, that's basically the left on here. No it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) I think that Lady Theresa has overstretched herself in her arrogant belief that this was going to be a landslide, ably supported by a 99% complaint media as normal. By making the changes to pensions / and social care she has, rather than reach into the left pool, possibly alienated a lot on all sides of the spectrum. Maybe just wishful thinking but a tenner on Tories with no overall majority. Edited May 19, 2017 by mariokempes56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 There are two ways of looking at the Tory Manifesto The first is that they are so confident in winning a landslide on the immigration and Brexit ticket that they can introduce as many draconian victorian policies as they like to keep feeding the rich that it wont matter The second is they dont want a massive majority so they can roll back on a hard brexit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 4 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said: The Greens standing in only 3 constituencies should help the SNP as long as the Green voters don't either stay at home or vote Labour/Lib-Dem. There were 1,345 Green voters in Moray and 1,146 Green voters in Perth and North Perthshire for example that could tip the balance if most of them turn to the SNP. I've heard that the Green's have also asked their party members, if they are personally willing, in the Highlands and the Islands constituencies to assist the SNP. Unfortunately I think the UKIP vote going Conservative will more than compensate for the Greens, in Mundell's seat at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 3 hours ago, mariokempes56 said: I think that Lady Theresa has overstretched herself in her arrogant belief that this was going to be a landslide, ably supported by a 99% complaint media as normal. By making the changes to pensions / and social care she has, rather than reach into the left pool, possibly alienated a lot on all sides of the spectrum. Maybe just wishful thinking but a tenner on Tories with no overall majority. Jeremy is starting to eat into the the Tory lead in the polls still a wee bit to go mind but as they say every little helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Is the winter fuel payment devolved or not? If it were devolved, why would the Tories be proposing policies for it when the GE wouldn't give them control of devolved powers? if it's not devolved, why not devolve it, if you think scotland needs a different policy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) It's not devolved until 2019/2020 i believe so dont know what Harrison is gibbering about & why she has had so much "positive" coverage about it Clearly the MSM dont want to threaten Scottish Tory votes Edited May 19, 2017 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 19 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: It's not devolved until 2019/2020 i believe so dont know what Harrison is gibbering about & why she has had so much "positive" coverage about it Clearly the MSM dont want to threaten Scottish Tory votes (I missed almost all the news coverage today) So are they saying: here's a nasty party policy - cut the winter fuel benefit for most people? - but here's a Scottish twist - we'll pretend to pledge to give Scotland a better deal - in 2019/20? - which means presumably next Holyrood - a pledge which would only be meaningful if the Tories win that Holyrood election? So it's an empty pledge, that a Tory victory in June won't and can't deliver. But in the meantime they'll cut the benefit anyway, for everyone, so we get 2-3 years of UK Tory chill anyway? So Ruth agrees with the nasty cut as long as it's the UK policy (though that's something her party can control), but pretends to be against it when it's a Scottish policy she'd get the credit for, but which she's not in control of delivering for the foreseeable future... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: There are two ways of looking at the Tory Manifesto The first is that they are so confident in winning a landslide on the immigration and Brexit ticket that they can introduce as many draconian victorian policies as they like to keep feeding the rich that it wont matter The second is they dont want a massive majority so they can roll back on a hard brexit Well ... *puts tinfoil helmet on* ... I've occasionally wondered if the whole point of this early election is, after everything that's been said, to achieve as soft a brexit as possible. Seemingly Theresa pays a lot of attention to Mr Theresa, who is immersed in 'the city', and 'the city' aren't very keen at all on a hard brexit. So what better way to achieve that than to elect even more malleable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 7 hours ago, scotlad said: Well ... *puts tinfoil helmet on* ... I've occasionally wondered if the whole point of this early election is, after everything that's been said, to achieve as soft a brexit as possible. Seemingly Theresa pays a lot of attention to Mr Theresa, who is immersed in 'the city', and 'the city' aren't very keen at all on a hard brexit. So what better way to achieve that than to elect even more malleable. I Agree with that to a point,, its a win win in that regards,, she can turn round and say "well the electorate told me thats what they wanted" irrespective of the fall out.Theres a part of me thats saying the tories are doing far better in scotland than the polls would have us believe.Maybe paranoia but they seem far too confident up here and a GE would not have been called had they any apprehension to the "Scotland problem" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 1 hour ago, hampden_loon2878 said: and a GE would not have been called had they any apprehension to the "Scotland problem" Considering they only have 1 MP the colony would not even come into their heads When it comes to General Elections the Scottish vote is meaningless regards the result unless a significant number in the rest of the UK vote Labour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 44 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Considering they only have 1 MP the colony would not even come into their heads When it comes to General Elections the Scottish vote is meaningless regards the result unless a significant number in the rest of the UK vote Labour Correct, this GE is about one thing and one thing only. Putting the boot into Labour in England and Wales and so increasing their majority. They wouldn't have given Scotland a second's consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellyman Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 I am all for democracy but anyone voting Conservative should be shot !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 One poll in England (exc. Scotland & Wales and NI)shows Lab on 39% - 4% ahead of Miliband. Scotland is way behind thanks to Kezia' slack of support for JC and Murphy before her. If ScotLab were only remoulded in the image of southron Labour we could avoid a Tory govt. Then I think you would find JC more amenable to indy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 10 hours ago, exile said: (I missed almost all the news coverage today) So are they saying: here's a nasty party policy - cut the winter fuel benefit for most people? - but here's a Scottish twist - we'll pretend to pledge to give Scotland a better deal - in 2019/20? - which means presumably next Holyrood - a pledge which would only be meaningful if the Tories win that Holyrood election? So it's an empty pledge, that a Tory victory in June won't and can't deliver. But in the meantime they'll cut the benefit anyway, for everyone, so we get 2-3 years of UK Tory chill anyway? So Ruth agrees with the nasty cut as long as it's the UK policy (though that's something her party can control), but pretends to be against it when it's a Scottish policy she'd get the credit for, but which she's not in control of delivering for the foreseeable future... Yes Minister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 13 hours ago, Armchair Bob said: Unfortunately I think the UKIP vote going Conservative will more than compensate for the Greens, in Mundell's seat at least. Big disclaimer up front. I'm not suggesting that this should in any way be an issue and it's certainly not something that concerns me. That said, I wonder whether Mundell coming out after the last GE will have any impact on his support from more "traditional" conservatives - both small and big 'c'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Third Lanark said: One poll in England (exc. Scotland & Wales and NI)shows Lab on 39% - 4% ahead of Miliband. Scotland is way behind thanks to Kezia' slack of support for JC and Murphy before her. If ScotLab were only remoulded in the image of southron Labour we could avoid a Tory govt. Then I think you would find JC more amenable to indy. You are forgetting the political awareness awakening in Scotland in 2014 Labour are dead in Scotland and are never coming back with regards to winning elections regardless of how the branch office morphs itself Edit - i believe Dugdale has more or less just said people in the borders should vote Tory to stop the SNP. Edited May 20, 2017 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: You are forgetting the political awareness awakening in Scotland in 2014 Labour are dead in Scotland and are never coming back with regards to winning elections regardless of how the branch office morphs itself Edit - i believe Dugdale has more or less just said people in the borders should vote Tory to stop the SNP. Plus look at how Labour councillors were so happy to jump into bed with the Tories to keep the SNP out of control in Aberdeenshire. That speaks volumes for how far detached they are from independence seekers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 https://wingsoverscotland.com/in-case-you-still-werent-sure/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Edit - i believe Dugdale has more or less just said people in the borders should vote Tory to stop the SNP. And, their sole MP is doing the same. He wants Labour voters to vote Tory to keep the SNP out. Except in his own constituency, of course. Where he wants Tories to vote for him. He is even happy to sell out his own party's candidates, in other constituencies, in order to keep his own snout in the gravy boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) Pretty funny if you know Midlothian politics https://www.facebook.com/100006946083941/videos/1877267022514816/ Edited May 20, 2017 by Stapes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Look at the absolute venom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) Lets be honest here it should be no surprise that Labour so fear/hate the SNP. The rise of the SNP has coincided with the collapse of Labour in Scotland and with it goes any chance of forming a government in Westminster. If it means cosying up to the auld enemy (the Conservatives) then sobeit. They have to find a way to discredit the SNP in anyway and look to weaken them in anyway and if that means backing the Tories on anti-SNP stuff then they will do it. Edited May 20, 2017 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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