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55 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Dont forget Scottish Labour

Their grubby hands will have been all over it

:lol: 

*SNP fanboys make false accusations against Tory activist. *

"Must be Scottish Labour's fault" 

Is this actually your thought process? 

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It's absolutely soul-destroying. Maybe plays well in wee cliques but to the rest of us, it's batshit crazy behaviour. How many times does this have to happen before people realise this isnt how you play the game. Papers now lining up days worth of material and folk like David Torrance laughing all the way to the bank with some easy copy.

SNP manifesto launch tomorrow now much harder and folk who didn't have a lot of time for SNP/Yes activists even harder to reach and persuade.

Never, ever, ever, ever, ever play the man. Stick to playing the f***ing ball. There's loads that could have been said about the debate last night but instead, wisdom of the group is to publicly flog a nurse. Even if it's somehow proven she's a liar and a plant, it's never a great look and the damage will far outweigh the benefits.

I don't buy into their being a huge problem in the SNP but it's times like this that I do wonder. There's a mentality that's clearly being tolerated that corrupts otherwise sensible folk like a press officer or Joanna Cherry to join a braying pack and "out" a member of a TV audience. In terms of wanting and expecting to run Scotland however they please, it's like the Scottish Labour years but on steroids - they just kept their morons and idiots behind closed doors and they didnt have Twitter to let them loose on the population. Some folk really need to catch a grip of themselves and see themselves as others see them. 

And I say this as an SNP voter. 

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18 minutes ago, Auld_Reekie said:

It's absolutely soul-destroying. Maybe plays well in wee cliques but to the rest of us, it's batshit crazy behaviour. How many times does this have to happen before people realise this isnt how you play the game. Papers now lining up days worth of material and folk like David Torrance laughing all the way to the bank with some easy copy.

SNP manifesto launch tomorrow now much harder and folk who didn't have a lot of time for SNP/Yes activists even harder to reach and persuade.

Never, ever, ever, ever, ever play the man. Stick to playing the f***ing ball. There's loads that could have been said about the debate last night but instead, wisdom of the group is to publicly flog a nurse. Even if it's somehow proven she's a liar and a plant, it's never a great look and the damage will far outweigh the benefits.

I don't buy into their being a huge problem in the SNP but it's times like this that I do wonder. There's a mentality that's clearly being tolerated that corrupts otherwise sensible folk like a press officer or Joanna Cherry to join a braying pack and "out" a member of a TV audience. In terms of wanting and expecting to run Scotland however they please, it's like the Scottish Labour years but on steroids - they just kept their morons and idiots behind closed doors and they didnt have Twitter to let them loose on the population. Some folk really need to catch a grip of themselves and see themselves as others see them. 

And I say this as an SNP voter. 

We are where we are because of this often used Unionist tactic in collusion with the media

It's not even funny anymore because the bias is now so blatant so i dont know what else to expect.

The saving grace is that both the Record and the Sun have outed her claim to use foodbanks and it will soon be forgotten about

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8 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

We are where we are because of this often used Unionist tactic in collusion with the media

It's not even funny anymore because the bias is now so blatant so i dont know what else to expect.

The saving grace is that both the Record and the Sun have outed her claim to use foodbanks and it will soon be forgotten about

Most folks over riding memory will be the false smears, as that's what'll get most coverage. 

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28 minutes ago, Auld_Reekie said:

It's absolutely soul-destroying. Maybe plays well in wee cliques but to the rest of us, it's batshit crazy behaviour. How many times does this have to happen before people realise this isnt how you play the game. Papers now lining up days worth of material and folk like David Torrance laughing all the way to the bank with some easy copy.

SNP manifesto launch tomorrow now much harder and folk who didn't have a lot of time for SNP/Yes activists even harder to reach and persuade.

Never, ever, ever, ever, ever play the man. Stick to playing the f***ing ball. There's loads that could have been said about the debate last night but instead, wisdom of the group is to publicly flog a nurse. Even if it's somehow proven she's a liar and a plant, it's never a great look and the damage will far outweigh the benefits.

I don't buy into their being a huge problem in the SNP but it's times like this that I do wonder. There's a mentality that's clearly being tolerated that corrupts otherwise sensible folk like a press officer or Joanna Cherry to join a braying pack and "out" a member of a TV audience. In terms of wanting and expecting to run Scotland however they please, it's like the Scottish Labour years but on steroids - they just kept their morons and idiots behind closed doors and they didnt have Twitter to let them loose on the population. Some folk really need to catch a grip of themselves and see themselves as others see them. 

And I say this as an SNP voter. 

i get the sentiment - and agree that people shouldn't be hounding individuals - do I take it that she has been exposed to a lot of personal abuse? Or have people just been spreading rumours or digging into someone's (publicly advertised) activities, which results in political points-scoring by online activists and political commentators?  If it were only another story about self-harming cybernattery then maybe it would best be left behind.

But if there really is a real-world (as opposed to social media) fuss about this, then people may ask themselves why there is such a fuss about a nurse asking a question, and perhaps it could provide a foothold to shifting the argument to why the questioner was apparently specifically invited back to ask a question on off-topic devolved matters? (not in itself a crime but if one of the BBC presenters misled the public about this then it could have traction?)

And it would become an occasion to ask questions about why the recent BBC Question Time had [allegedly] a series of Tory councillors there, where neither they nor the BBC declared their affiliation. While not excusing 'hounding' individuals, it can explain why cybernats are so riled about this as the BBC seems to be able to do this sort of thing with impunity, and there is no comeback. They seem to be accountable to no-one. The mud never seems to stick. But one day it may do.

I realise this is in danger of shifting the argument away from why the FM could not answer better the question herself? like drawing attention to why the Scottish NHS and nurses are [supposedly?] better off than that in England.

But irrespective of your political persuasion, this seems to me a bigger issue: how can you have a proper democracy when the public is so ill-informed, about who and what they are voting for, with forever the suspicion that the public broadcaster is all along distorting the debate to suit the state?

 

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29 minutes ago, Auld_Reekie said:

It's absolutely soul-destroying. Maybe plays well in wee cliques but to the rest of us, it's batshit crazy behaviour. How many times does this have to happen before people realise this isnt how you play the game. Papers now lining up days worth of material and folk like David Torrance laughing all the way to the bank with some easy copy.

SNP manifesto launch tomorrow now much harder and folk who didn't have a lot of time for SNP/Yes activists even harder to reach and persuade.

Never, ever, ever, ever, ever play the man. Stick to playing the f***ing ball. There's loads that could have been said about the debate last night but instead, wisdom of the group is to publicly flog a nurse. Even if it's somehow proven she's a liar and a plant, it's never a great look and the damage will far outweigh the benefits.

I don't buy into their being a huge problem in the SNP but it's times like this that I do wonder. There's a mentality that's clearly being tolerated that corrupts otherwise sensible folk like a press officer or Joanna Cherry to join a braying pack and "out" a member of a TV audience. In terms of wanting and expecting to run Scotland however they please, it's like the Scottish Labour years but on steroids - they just kept their morons and idiots behind closed doors and they didnt have Twitter to let them loose on the population. Some folk really need to catch a grip of themselves and see themselves as others see them. 

And I say this as an SNP voter. 

They strive for homogeneity of message so it's not a surprise you have a bunch of sheep braying at the same time.

 

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She went into the show with a fabricated question designed to elicit as much damage as possible. It was done knowingly and cynically. She is a lying sack of shit and all the saps trying to make her into a victim are anti snp fanboys of the highest order. 

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3 minutes ago, thplinth said:

She went into the show with a fabricated question designed to elicit as much damage as possible. It was done knowingly and cynically. She is a lying sack of shit and all the saps trying to make her into a victim are anti snp fanboys of the highest order. 

I'm not trying make her into a victim (if you do mean me?). She is, as you say, is a lying sack of shit. I've no concerns for her. My concern is that the reaction and false accusations take away from her being exposed as a lying sack of shit and give opponents a weapon to beat the SNP with. 

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22 minutes ago, thplinth said:

She went into the show with a fabricated question designed to elicit as much damage as possible. It was done knowingly and cynically. She is a lying sack of shit and all the saps trying to make her into a victim are anti snp fanboys of the highest order. 

Exactly we're playing against skilled players, if you can't match the skill level stay out of the game, instead of doing damage being a dumb feck.

Walking up and giving her a get out of jail free card isn't wise. I bet the seating arrangement was no mistake either, or the rumour being flung about social media really quickly.

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I just don't understand this constant holding of the SNP and their supporters to such a high bar while the opposition no. You expect the SNP to abide by Marquess of Queensberry rules in a street fight and win somehow.

Even if they had played this rubbish set-up bullshite  perfectly the media would still have found a way to spin it against them. You still seem to think they are one day going to give you an even break... FFS.

I am bored of all endless this nicey nicey pish. It doesn't work! Especially from that wet blanket of wet blankets auld pish pants. Grow some balls FFS.

And yeah if everything the SNP does is always wrong you are a bigger fan boy than any SNP person on here just a different side of the fanboy coin right. That is not directed at anyone, take it as you want. 

I have slagged off the SNP on here many times for many different reasons. Not seeing you Parklife criticize Corbyn once for anything. Not a thing. So who is the fhucking fanboy here? You are the one who keeps using the word. Sort your own house before telling us what to be.

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Continuing your analogy of a street fight, windmilling your arms in the hope you hit something is a worse tactic than trying to box.

You don't play the media game at all, that's engaging on their grounds, you use social media and positive approach and ignore all the other shit.

Corbyn has a 16 point turnaround in Wales as of tonight, just going grass-roots and in person by-passing the media that way.

Labour support surges in Wales with 16-point shift towards Jeremy Corbyn's party

The party has overtaken the Tories in Wales and has a 10-point lead

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-poll-wales-general-election-2017-16-point-shift-swing-a7749786.html

 

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Listen you want to know why Scunnered wanted to make Wings taboo on here. It is because he is smart, well researched and articulate. Even with his faults that makes him a major pain in the anti independence movement's arse. He is like self taught political guerrilla warfare specialist. He is very good at what he does. However the opposition use his profanity and his wildness (at times) as the excuse to go after him. That said I am amazed he is as restrained as he is. The shit he must be taking every day must be mind bending. They (his critics) are not truly offended by any of this stuff IMHO. All faux outrage and just a way to silence him. Guys like Wings are the future of getting to YES much more than trying to act like some political Jesus while the media and the opposition use your face as a political doormat every day.

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10 minutes ago, phart said:

Continuing your analogy of a street fight, windmilling your arms in the hope you hit something is a worse tactic than trying to box.

You don't play the media game at all, that's engaging on their grounds, you use social media and positive approach and ignore all the other shit.

Corbyn has a 16 point turnaround in Wales as of tonight, just going grass-roots and in person by-passing the media that way.

Labour support surges in Wales with 16-point shift towards Jeremy Corbyn's party

The party has overtaken the Tories in Wales and has a 10-point lead

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-poll-wales-general-election-2017-16-point-shift-swing-a7749786.html

 

I hope they do well down south and the SNP do well in Scotland.

Listen man the skepticism that exists now every time one of these convenient BBC moments comes along is understandable. Paranoia? Well one question is are the BBC out to get us? The answer is I would say yes. It is not paranoia it is just a normal attitude to an organization that time and time again has shown itself to be completely biased and deeply anti snp.

I have not watched a BBC news program in so long I can't remember. I just don't understand why so many folk still do including QT. You give them the platform and they will always control the story. We've just got to completely cut them out. 

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3 minutes ago, thplinth said:

I hope they do well down south and the SNP do well in Scotland.

Listen man the skepticism that exists now every time one of these convenient BBC moments comes along is understandable. Paranoia? Well one question is are the BBC out to get us? The answer is I would say yes. It is not paranoia it is just a normal attitude to an organization that time and time again has shown itself to be completely biased and deeply anti snp.

I have not watched a BBC news program in so long I can't remember. I just don't understand why so many folk still do including QT. You give them the platform and they will always control the story. We've just got to completely cut them out. 

Yeah the BBC are out to do many things, they lost any sense of independence when Dyke and co had to go instead of A Campbell over Doctor Kelly.

Think how many more conspiracies i know about that actually happened than just BBC plants, you've got to sift the information. It's vital.

Just don't engage with them, certainly dont pay the license fee!

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I'm a Jeremy Corbyn fanboy. Can't argue with that. He's just a wonderful man :wub:

I'm also a guy who'll be voting for my SNP candidate in 2 weeks time. 

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Watching 2014 followed now by Trump I do not believe you can avoid the shitstorm of media and establishment abuse and criticism no matter how politically virtuous you are and no matter how perfectly you step. The SNP and Trump share that at least - both were designated stop at all costs and both could do nothing right ever.

So no matter how carefully you step it does not matter. They will trip you push you just plain lie. 

By trying to win them over you are actually only legitimizing them longer. Trump took them all on head on and won. He was an animal and he won. Grotesque personality (at times) and he won. We don't have a Trump but I would like to see some Trump political balls grafted onto the SNP but also and only with the street fighter smarts. No windmilling. I agree. But no more Mr nice guy neither. 

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16 minutes ago, kumnio said:

Just watched the Theresa May interview with Andrew Neil. She is a complete fraud, she hasnt got a clue, and cant answer even the simplest of questions by Neil. 

She is a train wreck waiting to happen, the only reason shes not been found out is due to brexit,, how many u turns has she made, best thing that could happen is a hung parliament 

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15 minutes ago, kumnio said:

Just watched the Theresa May interview with Andrew Neil. She is a complete fraud, she hasnt got a clue, and cant answer even the simplest of questions by Neil. 

Didnt see it but...I have said here and elsewhere (and agreed with Parkie re PMQs) she is ##ing useless, fraud , a horrible spite-filled woman. Corbyn or anyone with a wit would wipe the floor with her on a debate (on any subject).

 

One -trick - one - phrase chancer.

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38 minutes ago, kumnio said:

Just watched the Theresa May interview with Andrew Neil. She is a complete fraud, she hasnt got a clue, and cant answer even the simplest of questions by Neil. 

This. She cannot handle questions at all.

Someone tweeted yesterday: if she can't debate, what makes anyone think she can negotiate?

Brexit always was a shambles. From a UK perspective it's looking like a disaster.

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She doesn't even seem to get that every time she fails to answer a question  (and that happens to be EVERY single question she is ever asked), she just looks more and more inane and untrustworthy and if only this campaign could be much longer, she would lose.

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31 minutes ago, Mark frae Crieff said:

Have you ever had the feeling that they are trying to throw this? 

All we need is them to say Bruce Grobbelaar has been draughted in as head of strategy..

 

 

Hope so

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