Rumour of snap GE -announcement 11.15

[hampden_loon2878]

7 minutes ago, PapofGlencoe said:

Is the fishing industry really so anti snp as you suggest?   surely they don't think the tories give a rats about them?  The Tories weren't pro Brexit either officially.

 

 

Yes you have no idea,, they were massively pro SNP say ten years ago,, there will be tge odd fishermen now who supports the part probably 10% and that would be inshore fishermen,, this is the utter shite im up against (warning tory propaganda)

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=280366422425961&id=267095410419729

 

 

better get back on topic before i am crucified for only talking aboot the fashh ? 

[Guest flumax]

11 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Yes you have no idea,, they were massively pro SNP say ten years ago,, there will be tge odd fishermen now who supports the part probably 10% and that would be inshore fishermen,, this is the utter shite im up against (warning tory propaganda)

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=280366422425961&id=267095410419729

 

 

better get back on topic before i am crucified for only talking aboot the fashh ? 

Nothing wrong talking about fash. It's 8% of Scotlands economy.... Never mind redistribution of jobs on remote places, we can't and don't want to all work in call centres in Glasgow. The Industry also do service work to O&G which is always forgotten it (http://services.sff.co.uk). It is a sustainable form of animal protein ensuring food security, world renowned and carries brand Scotland overseas. Low environmental impact compared to beef and pork, nevermind welfare and disease transmission issues. Very very important. 

 

However they are business men who actually are a bit short sighted. Inshore guys what's their problem, their market is EU so don't need tariffs being imposed.. They have soul access to 12nm stocks. They are not under international agreements for assessments.... Why would they flip. 

 

Your demersal and pelagic fleet what's their problem? 40% of their catch is in EU waters. 80-90% destination is eu.... I just don't get it 

[hampden_loon2878]

7 hours ago, flumax said:

Nothing wrong talking about fash. It's 8% of Scotlands economy.... Never mind redistribution of jobs on remote places, we can't and don't want to all work in call centres in Glasgow. The Industry also do service work to O&G which is always forgotten it (http://services.sff.co.uk). It is a sustainable form of animal protein ensuring food security, world renowned and carries brand Scotland overseas. Low environmental impact compared to beef and pork, nevermind welfare and disease transmission issues. Very very important. 

 

However they are business men who actually are a bit short sighted. Inshore guys what's their problem, their market is EU so don't need tariffs being imposed.. They have soul access to 12nm stocks. They are not under international agreements for assessments.... Why would they flip. 

 

Your demersal and pelagic fleet what's their problem? 40% of their catch is in EU waters. 80-90% destination is eu.... I just don't get it 

Yes the inshore lads would probably still be more SNP,, I actually dont think the realse how brexit will impact on them,,The pealgic guys need a reality check also, they have it all, work 3 months of the year and get 100k plus for the average deck hand,, why would they risk it, to he fair the biggest fishing family up here, the TAITS were massive yes supporter and donated 120k to yes scotland

Edited June 2, 2017 by hampden_loon2878

[Orraloon]

8 hours ago, flumax said:

Nothing wrong talking about fash. It's 8% of Scotlands economy.... Never mind redistribution of jobs on remote places, we can't and don't want to all work in call centres in Glasgow. The Industry also do service work to O&G which is always forgotten it (http://services.sff.co.uk). It is a sustainable form of animal protein ensuring food security, world renowned and carries brand Scotland overseas. Low environmental impact compared to beef and pork, nevermind welfare and disease transmission issues. Very very important. 

 

However they are business men who actually are a bit short sighted. Inshore guys what's their problem, their market is EU so don't need tariffs being imposed.. They have soul access to 12nm stocks. They are not under international agreements for assessments.... Why would they flip. 

 

Your demersal and pelagic fleet what's their problem? 40% of their catch is in EU waters. 80-90% destination is eu.... I just don't get it 

Can I ask where you got that number from?

 

[aaid]

Things just got a big more tricky for the Tories.

Craig McKinlay, MP for Thanet South, his agent and a senior activist have just been charged with electoral fraud as aresult of the 2015 election. 

Doesnt have a direct impact on this election but of course, one week out and wobbling, it's not the sort of thing that you want to have to try and defend. 

[wheres the pies]

The more bad news for the tories the better it is for corbyn hopefully 

[Guest flumax]

5 hours ago, Orraloon said:

Can I ask where you got that number from?

 

Thank you for picking me up on this.... Genuine typo of significant change. 0.8 not 8 false error leading to 10x the contribution this is why I'm no politician simple slip becomes a lie and diminishes a position. 

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/marine/Publications/TopicSheets/tslist/economy

[mariokempes56]

5 hours ago, Orraloon said:

Can I ask where you got that number from?

 

Between 7 and 9.

[Ally Bongo]

Have just been informed that my constituency is too tight to call FFS

Angela Crawley has a majority of 10,000 from 2015

Looks like the Tory vote must be going to Labour - cant see it being the other way round 

it was fanny baws Robertson's seat for donkeys

Odds are

SNP 1/33

Tories 10/1

Labour 20/1

[The Giant]

51 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Have just been informed that my constituency is too tight to call FFS

Angela Crawley has a majority of 10,000 from 2015

Looks like the Tory vote must be going to Labour - cant see it being the other way round 

it was fanny baws Robertson's seat for donkeys

Odds are

SNP 1/33

Tories 10/1

Labour 20/1

I think it was this eloquent wordsmith that preceded Crawley.

[Ally Bongo]

6 minutes ago, The Giant said:

I think it was this eloquent wordsmith that preceded Crawley.

Indeed

He took over when Robertson (78-97) pulled on the ermine

 

[Orraloon]

4 hours ago, flumax said:

Thank you for picking me up on this.... Genuine typo of significant change. 0.8 not 8 false error leading to 10x the contribution this is why I'm no politician simple slip becomes a lie and diminishes a position. 

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/marine/Publications/TopicSheets/tslist/economy

No problem. Happy to help.

And of course, if it's only 0.8% of Scotland's GDP, then it is less than 0.08% of the UK GDP. Which is why the Tories at Westminster don't give a monkeys about it.

[aaid]

6 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

No problem. Happy to help.

And of course, if it's only 0.8% of Scotland's GDP, then it is less than 0.08% of the UK GDP. Which is why the Tories at Westminster don't give a monkeys about it.

It's even less that that.  Scotland accounts for over 70% of the UK fishing industry - £563 million in Scotland out of £774m million for the UK as a whole in 2015.

The relative value of fishing to the Scottish economy is important but not significant in comparison to other sectors, for example, Food and Drink - which obviously includes fish, was worth £5.5 billion, so fishing is only worth 10% of food and drink, compared to Whisky its tiny.

However for the UK economy its value is insignificant, hence why its been bargained away by successive UK governments.

[hampden_loon2878]

2 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

Have just been informed that my constituency is too tight to call FFS

Angela Crawley has a majority of 10,000 from 2015

Looks like the Tory vote must be going to Labour - cant see it being the other way round 

it was fanny baws Robertson's seat for donkeys

Odds are

SNP 1/33

Tories 10/1

Labour 20/1

Welcome to my world,, actually cant handle the thought of my constituency falling to the torys is actually stressing me out,,how donyou know that its too close to call? Internal polling?

Edited June 2, 2017 by hampden_loon2878

[Ally Bongo]

13 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Welcome to my world,, actually cant handle the thought of my constituency falling to the torys is actually stressing me out,,how donyou know that its too close to call? Internal polling?

Yeah

Better results today though it would seem

[hampden_loon2878]

6 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Yeah

Better results today though it would seem

This is a strange election, you have the ukip far right going to the torys, you have brexiters going to tories, we now have unionist who went from labour to the torys going back to labour as they see corbyn doing well,, i hope the snp scoop up the green and socialist vote,, strange election.

 

I talked to my local branch yesterday who say they are reasonably confident here but with a drastically lower majority.

[Toepoke]

From out of nowhere Ireland zoom into the lead in progressive politics...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40139428

 

[Orraloon]

29 minutes ago, Toepoke said:

From out of nowhere Ireland zoom into the lead in progressive politics...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40139428

 

Only about 40 years behind the UK.

[exile]

Latest Ashcroft model has prediction of Con majority of 60; SNP total 46, Lib Dem 5!

https://dashboards.lordashcroftpolls.com/Storyboard/RHViewStoryBoard.aspx?RId=²¶&RLId=²²&PId=±´ºµ´&UId=´¹¹¹¼&RpId=25

[Dave78]

59 minutes ago, Toepoke said:

From out of nowhere Ireland zoom into the lead in progressive politics...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40139428

 

He's a dyed-in-the-wool Tory. His sexuality and mixed ethnicity are the only progressive things about him.

[hampden_loon2878]

1 hour ago, exile said:

Latest Ashcroft model has prediction of Con majority of 60; SNP total 46, Lib Dem 5!

https://dashboards.lordashcroftpolls.com/Storyboard/RHViewStoryBoard.aspx?RId=²¶&RLId=²²&PId=±´ºµ´&UId=´¹¹¹¼&RpId=25

I cant get onto the polling,,Where ate the lib dems getting 5 seats from i am pressing 1 in Scotland? 

[AlfieMoon]

7 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

Have just been informed that my constituency is too tight to call FFS

Angela Crawley has a majority of 10,000 from 2015

Looks like the Tory vote must be going to Labour - cant see it being the other way round 

it was fanny baws Robertson's seat for donkeys

Odds are

SNP 1/33

Tories 10/1

Labour 20/1

With a majority like that and breakdown of the vote in 2015 it would seem highly unlikely that SNP will lose that seat. With Labour sitting 2nd, Corbyn growing in popularity and Tory confidence - any attempt at tactical unionist vote will cut each other's throat. 

 

2 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

I cant get onto the polling,,Where ate the lib dems getting 5 seats from i am pressing 1 in Scotland? 

I'd bet on Carmichael to retain Orkney and Swinson only lost East Dunbartonshire by a baw hair in 2015. That's a clear enough scenario for unionists to unite behind her to return it to Lib Dems I reckon. 

Not sure where the other 3 are though. Guessing 1 in Edinburgh and maybe East Lothian / Fife. 

[jockodile]

Did anyone watch Nicola's Ask the Leader interview with Glen Campbell.

Nearly everything asked seemed to be a devolved matter, education - nhs - income tax and Glen must have said 'you've been in power 10yrs' 3 or 4 times

All utterly irrelevant for a UK General election - the BBC should surely be limiting audience questions to reserved matters?

Edited June 3, 2017 by jockodile

[Ally Bongo]

I think we are fighting a lost cause at the moment

The Unionist parties and their media allies appear to have beaten enough folk down, diluted some of the hope they had and turned them against the SNP to the Tories FFS

The Guardian video (on Youtube) of voters in Moray is soul destroying - granted a large part is of the fishermen 

Maybe im just buying into their message but i doubt it

 

[aaid]

7 hours ago, jockodile said:

Did anyone watch Nicola's Ask the Leader interview with Glen Campbell.

Nearly everything asked seemed to be a devolved matter, education - nhs - income tax and Glen must have said 'you've been in power 10yrs' 3 or 4 times

All utterly irrelevant for a UK General election - the BBC should surely be limiting audience questions to reserved matters?

I think that's fair game to an extent.  It's about judging a party based on its record in government and in the 2016 HR election Ruth Davidson was being asked to defend the Tory record in Westminster.

Where I think it's wrong is when that's pretty much all they focus one, which was the case last night.  Not because NS, shouldn't have to answer the questions - she should do and she'd agree with that - but it means that no time is spent on the matters that this election will directly address.

Similarly, the broadcasters should call out - or at least not give any airtime - to the devolved matters in  the UK parties "Scottish" manifestos as those claims are essentially fraudulent. 

For example, the Scottish Labour manifesto contains whole sections on education, policing and the NHS.  Labour could win every seat in this GE in Scotland and have a UK majority and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference as they wouldn't be able implement any of these policies.