aaid Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 36 minutes ago, Alan said: People who think this is a "false flag" incident or try to score political points are utter wallopers. On that we can agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 33 minutes ago, Alan said: People who think this is a "false flag" incident or try to score political points are utter wallopers. 1 hour ago, DonnyTJS said: As aaid points out, this is far more damaging to May than Corbyn through happening 'on her watch' on top of cuts to the police. Trying to twist this into some preemptive anti-Corbyn coup is idiotic. It also deflects attention away from the reasons those who carry out these acts feel the need to do so, and the only hope of stopping them is to focus on those reasons, not to ignore them. Attlee, Wilson - we've had Labour governments carrying out socialist policies that Corbyn-in-power could only dream of. There are far simpler methods of controlling the executive in a parliamentary democracy than organizing the random slaughter of one's own citizens - just watch Yes Minister. I should clarify, I don't think this is an anti Corbyn coup per say, nor am I trying to score political points but we're unlikely to ever really know who did this or why, well not beyond the narrative that we're told by the authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 Regardless of conspiracy theories there is absolutely no doubt that this will give Theresa May the bigger majority she wanted Whoever wrote her speech given just now knows that and she said all the right things Corbyn was already on shaky ground with this issue because of his failure to nip it in the bud at the leaders debate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Abhorrent,barbaric,cowardly ,we must stand tall against these people oh aye n we've bein following them for months same shite drivel we hear politicians and police spout every time there's 1 of these attacks if intelligence and I use the word loosely has been following these and other terrorists for months it just makes me think are you just following them once a week or every other day it's about time things were changed apparent terrorists should be deported they don't want our laws so why do we deal with this plague on our society by giving them the rights of our courts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Regardless of conspiracy theories there is absolutely no doubt that this will give Theresa May the bigger majority she wanted Whoever wrote her speech given just now knows that and she said all the right things Corbyn was already on shaky ground with this issue because of his failure to nip it in the bud at the leaders debate Tell me about it. Both main parties suspend party politics for the day then her "brief" turned into a Conservative Party Political broadcast. You couldn't make it up! My takeaways weren't the heroism of the Police and paramedics, but that we (her) need to increase bulk surveance of the internet (everyone's usage) and continue to bomb Iraq and Syria. And she's the one to do it. J Edited June 4, 2017 by Bristolhibby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86glebestreet Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, jcs said: Abhorrent,barbaric,cowardly ,we must stand tall against these people oh aye n we've bein following them for months same shite drivel we hear politicians and police spout every time there's 1 of these attacks if intelligence and I use the word loosely has been following these and other terrorists for months it just makes me think are you just following them once a week or every other day it's about time things were changed apparent terrorists should be deported they don't want our laws so why do we deal with this plague on our society by giving them the rights of our courts It would be great if we could deport all those who pose a threat to the uk,but many of them are born here, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, 86glebestreet said: It would be great if we could deport all those who pose a threat to the uk,but many of them are born here, Aw well they 1s can stay then n kill whoever they want , this is the bullshit I'm talking about they don't want our laws but we will defend there right to screw us over using our laws against us it would be ####in laughable if it wasn't so ####in tragic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, 86glebestreet said: It would be great if we could deport all those who pose a threat to the uk,but many of them are born here, I can understand the point of view, that is some of them travel to suspect countries, then thats it - they stay there - no admittance to UK/Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Where exactly do you deport people to when they are British citizens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, aaid said: Where exactly do you deport people to when they are British citizens? Exactly using our laws against us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, jcs said: Exactly using our laws against us Nothing to do with laws. Aaid is asking the question literally, where do you deport a British citizen to? Do we just pick a random country and say "Fancy taking our terrorist pkease?" Edited June 4, 2017 by Marky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanTA Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, Marky said: Nothing to do with laws. Aaid is asking the question literally, where do you deport a British citizen to? Do we just pick a random country and say "Fancy taking our terrorist pkease?" What I would do is set up a private jail, put all homegrown terrorists amongst themselves, so that they can't radicalise anyone else. Solitary confinement for 23 hours with a minimum term of 20 years sentence. If they were 1st generation British then deport their family too, as having links to terrorists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Just now, girvanTA said: What I would do is set up a private jail, put all homegrown terrorists amongst themselves, so that they can't radicalise anyone else. Solitary confinement for 23 hours with a minimum term of 20 years sentence. If they were 1st generation British then deport their family too, as having links to terrorists So being related to a terrorist should be an offence now. You really are beyond parody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ANDYP Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Make them disappear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanTA Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 1 minute ago, aaid said: So being related to a terrorist should be an offence now. You really are beyond parody. My opinion, you don't have to agree with it. Perhaps you could give them a wee cuddle and tell them it will be ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Alan said: People who think this is a "false flag" incident or try to score political points are utter wallopers. This must mean Teresa May is an utter wallpaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, girvanTA said: My opinion, you don't have to agree with it. Perhaps you could give them a wee cuddle and tell them it will be ok I'm interested in solutions that can actually be implemented, will actually work and which will be sustainable in the long term not some right wing spunk off that doesn't actually achieve anything. That doesn't include deporting people who are British Citizens because that's actually not possible and as Marky points out its nothing to do with laws - although it is illegal under both UK and international law - it's impossible to implement as well. It doesn't include internment for suspects without trial. That's been proven to be a total failure in Northern Ireland where it acts as a recruitment tool for the terrorists and so for every one you lock up, you drive another 2 or 3 to take up arms. In Northern Ireland the killings went up, not down, during internment. It also make the people you intern more radical and more dangerous as you are bringing together a lot of individuals who were previously not connected and increase their collective knowledge and create and strengthen their networks for when they do actually get released. It doesn't include increasing sentences for terrorist related offences. That sounds like you're being tough but achieves nothing. These people aren't thinking about going to prison, they don't want to be taken alive, they want to die as martyrs - as they see it. The size of any potential prison sentence won't be anywhere in their minds. It does include giving the police and security services the resources they need. It also involves looking at anti-radicalisation programmes like Prevent to see if they are actually working and where they can be improve upon and giving them the funding that's required. It also includes going after the money and closing down where ISIS is being funded from and that includes Saudi Arabia. It includes looking at the whole "War on Terror" as it clearing isn't one we're winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Im not usually one to get high and mighty about this sort of thing, but it is hard to see the greatest city in the world suffer like this again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) 58 minutes ago, aaid said: These people aren't thinking about going to prison, they don't want to be taken alive, they want to die as martyrs - as they see it. The size of any potential prison sentence won't be anywhere in their minds. After Manchester I read someone saying they should bring back the death penalty for terrorists. Agian it sounds tough but don't really think that would work against suicide bombers and as you say would be counter-productive. Edited June 4, 2017 by Hertsscot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 1 hour ago, girvanTA said: My opinion, you don't have to agree with it. Perhaps you could give them a wee cuddle and tell them it will be ok Could we deport the Tories and MI5 ? http://johnpilger.com/articles/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 'Enough is enough' I'm going to go in a time machine and have us not invade Iraq and Libya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 4 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: I should clarify, I don't think this is an anti Corbyn coup per say, nor am I trying to score political points but we're unlikely to ever really know who did this or why, well not beyond the narrative that we're told by the authorities. Jihad is the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Am glad this board was not on the go during " the troubles " as i suspect a lot of folk on here would support the balaclava mob as long as it supported their anti establishment ideals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Auchinyell Sox Change said: Am glad this board was not on the go during " the troubles " as i suspect a lot of folk on here would support the balaclava mob as long as it supported their anti establishment ideals How you getting on Theresa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Nae bad Wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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