irish Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 56 minutes ago, todd said: When did I say England were as bad as Scotland? Are you on the piss or something ? You were echoing Bino's point which I assumed you agreed with. I am on the piss actually after work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 3 hours ago, irish said: How can you say England are as bad as Scotland but do it (assuming you mean underachieve) at a higher level? That makes no sense. England are a better team than Ireland,Scotland,Northern Ireland and Wales and will generally qualify for more tournaments and more often than the rest of us. If England were in our group I would expect us to do well against them but in all probability they'd still win the group as they always seem to get qualification wrapped up with little fuss while we'd probably settle for second. Their team isn't that bad. Wouldn't mind a few of their strikers England should be in the mix to win every tournament , like a Germany are but their record is pathetic so they routinely under achive, like Scotland but at a level above btw, Ireland routinely over achive seeing as you are a nation of hurlers and rugby players with a strong dose of pretend Irish Englishmen chucked in...and you still proudly play kick and rush football with no shame ...so there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 3 hours ago, irish said: Their team isn't that bad. Wouldn't mind a few of their strikers surey you've had enough of their players in the past? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 39 minutes ago, irish said: You were echoing Bino's point which I assumed you agreed with. I am on the piss actually after work I wasn't echoing anything. Didn't even read his post. Have now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 15 minutes ago, adamntg said: surey you've had enough of their players in the past? ? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 When i was in mensa we studied this international competitive nature and it turns out its perfectly normal. So as you were guyz i suppose ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 8 hours ago, Bino's said: England should be in the mix to win every tournament , like a Germany are but their record is pathetic so they routinely under achive, like Scotland but at a level above btw, Ireland routinely over achive seeing as you are a nation of hurlers and rugby players with a strong dose of pretend Irish Englishmen chucked in...and you still proudly play kick and rush football with no shame ...so there But they're a better team than Scotland. How can they be as bad as Scotland if they're at a level above? If you ignore their media hype England aren't as good as their hype suggests. They're a level above ourselves but not a heavyweight like Germany/Italy/Spain etc etc. If kick and rush shamelessly gets us to major tournaments, I'll take it my rim job friend As for pretend Irishmen, I think Big Jack summed it up perfectly: every player we brought into the squad considered himself Irish ... Had it not been for the economic circumstances which forced their parents or grandparents to emigrate, they would have been born and reared in Ireland. Should they now be victimized and denied their heritage because of the whims of journalists? I think not." Economic circumstances brought on by some arsehole colonial power which as far as I remember Scotland was part of Oh and we also must thank your antecedent planters in the north of Ireland for the DUP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 8 hours ago, adamntg said: surey you've had enough of their players in the past? ? Touche Will give you that one. Harry Kane (remember him) actually qualified for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 5 hours ago, irish said: Touche Will give you that one. Harry Kane (remember him) actually qualified for us. Well, it's a pity he wasn't playing for you a few weeks ago. That would've suited us nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 9 minutes ago, adamntg said: Well, it's a pity he wasn't playing for you a few weeks ago. That would've suited us nicely. He qualifies for us on the basis that he smelt a pint of Guinness once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share Posted July 1, 2017 7 hours ago, irish said: But they're a better team than Scotland. How can they be as bad as Scotland if they're at a level above? If you ignore their media hype England aren't as good as their hype suggests. They're a level above ourselves but not a heavyweight like Germany/Italy/Spain etc etc. If kick and rush shamelessly gets us to major tournaments, I'll take it my rim job friend As for pretend Irishmen, I think Big Jack summed it up perfectly: every player we brought into the squad considered himself Irish ... Had it not been for the economic circumstances which forced their parents or grandparents to emigrate, they would have been born and reared in Ireland. Should they now be victimized and denied their heritage because of the whims of journalists? I think not." Economic circumstances brought on by some arsehole colonial power which as far as I remember Scotland was part of Oh and we also must thank your antecedent planters in the north of Ireland for the DUP. I understood his message to mean that they fail to meet the plausible expectations based on their talent. Our level is far less so for us we would be happy to qualify and be competitive in our group, for them despite their bloated and I would say disrespectful attitude they brush aside all others and believe to be at least a quarter finalists yet they never go deep in tournies. That's quite the run on sentence so forgive me. England should be assessing why they are self emploding in the groups, we should be looking at why we are not producing a deeper pool and a higher standard. England's issue I think is mentality and our is facilities, coaching and infrastructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 1 hour ago, romanticscot said: I understood his message to mean that they fail to meet the plausible expectations based on their talent. Our level is far less so for us we would be happy to qualify and be competitive in our group, for them despite their bloated and I would say disrespectful attitude they brush aside all others and believe to be at least a quarter finalists yet they never go deep in tournies. That's quite the run on sentence so forgive me. England should be assessing why they are self emploding in the groups, we should be looking at why we are not producing a deeper pool and a higher standard. England's issue I think is mentality and our is facilities, coaching and infrastructure. England have the same issues we have a league full of foreigners and youth players no longer get game time and a chance to develop England should be threatening to and winning the odd tourney we should be qualifying every other tourney both of us are performing where below where we should be and there seems nil appetite from the powers that be to try and change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 2 hours ago, romanticscot said: I understood his message to mean that they fail to meet the plausible expectations based on their talent. Our level is far less so for us we would be happy to qualify and be competitive in our group, for them despite their bloated and I would say disrespectful attitude they brush aside all others and believe to be at least a quarter finalists yet they never go deep in tournies. That's quite the run on sentence so forgive me. England should be assessing why they are self emploding in the groups, we should be looking at why we are not producing a deeper pool and a higher standard. England's issue I think is mentality and our is facilities, coaching and infrastructure. Good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 TLDR. please close this thread b4 it gets any worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 49 minutes ago, Bino's said: England have the same issues we have a league full of foreigners and youth players no longer get game time and a chance to develop England should be threatening to and winning the odd tourney we should be qualifying every other tourney both of us are performing where below where we should be and there seems nil appetite from the powers that be to try and change Why should England be threatening to win any major tournament? They're really not that good. Their media will hype everything anyway. No offence but Scotland have no right to be expecting to qualify every euros/wc tournament. Like ourselves the least you'd expect is be competitive for 2nd place/possible playoff spot in qualifying groups and that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 39 minutes ago, bonny78 said: TLDR. please close this thread b4 it gets any worse 39 minutes ago, bonny78 said: TLDR. please close this thread b4 it gets any worse This thread could be worse by simpletons using 'B4' instead of before. If you don't like the thread, then ignore it and post on another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 2 hours ago, irish said: This thread could be worse by simpletons using 'B4' instead of before. If you don't like the thread, then ignore it and post on another Foff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 3 hours ago, irish said: This thread could be worse by simpletons using 'B4' instead of before. If you don't like the thread, then ignore it and post on another Bonny is like The Terminator. He can't be bargained with, he can't be reasoned with. Best just ignore him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norsefox Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 (edited) 17 hours ago, irish said: Why should England be threatening to win any major tournament? They're really not that good. Their media will hype everything anyway. No offence but Scotland have no right to be expecting to qualify every euros/wc tournament. Like ourselves the least you'd expect is be competitive for 2nd place/possible playoff spot in qualifying groups and that's it. You ask the question and then make the answer in your second sentence. England 'should' be threatening to win tournaments because of the following: Long established traditional football nation with some of the biggest clubs in the world A population of around 55m which is plenty to retain and replenish young and capable footballers The richest football league by a huge margin Now, their inability to compete at tournaments is because they fail to use what they have. The international footballing deck of cards is so heavily weighted in their favour, their inability to compete is a structural problem entirely of their own making. Scotland's problem is a backward-looking, insular, clique, arrogant one where we absolutely fail to see a problem, and believe (with absolutely no justification) that we have the talents and insight within our country to fix it. The whole governance structure of Scottish football is parochial and under qualified. Like England, we believe that having played football for 150 years somehow counts in a world that has completely changed, but we remain playing by outdated rules. Edited July 2, 2017 by norsefox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borojock Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 9 hours ago, norsefox said: You ask the question and then make the answer in your second sentence. England 'should' be threatening to win tournaments because of the following: Long established traditional football nation with some of the biggest clubs in the world A population of around 55m which is plenty to retain and replenish young and capable footballers The richest football league by a huge margin Now, their inability to compete at tournaments is because they fail to use what they have. The international footballing deck of cards is so heavily weighted in their favour, their inability to compete is a structural problem entirely of their own making. Scotland's problem is a backward-looking, insular, clique, arrogant one where we absolutely fail to see a problem, and believe (with absolutely no justification) that we have the talents and insight within our country to fix it. The whole governance structure of Scottish football is parochial and under qualified. Like England, we believe that having played football for 150 years somehow counts in a world that has completely changed, but we remain playing by outdated rules. Ive always though England underachieve more than Scotland when you look at the resources they have they should be challenging to win tournements Most Expensive National Football stadium in the world Most expensive National Football training ground in the world Until recently second highest managers salary on offer in International Football The FA spend more than any other country on coaching for Managers and Coaches Supposedly the best National League in the world Their Domestic Clubs have some of the best coaches and training grounds in the world which also benefits the youth football Richest FA in the world Good size population compared to Portugal, Holland, Belgium, Uruguay, Chile, Croatia etc Very good football infrasture Long Tradition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 On 7/1/2017 at 8:13 PM, bonny78 said: Foff Apologies Keyboard Begbie. Please don't virtually glass me in the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 1 hour ago, irish said: Apologies Keyboard Begbie. Please don't virtually glass me in the face. genuine factual question here what has Irelands qualification record been since the last time we qualified for a play off in 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Ireland were at 2012 and 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rude Gullit Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 15 hours ago, bonny78 said: Ireland were at 2012 and 2016. And a playoff in 2010. They've done well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rude Gullit said: And a playoff in 2010. They've done well. Play offs dont count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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