Larky Masher Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 15 minutes ago, SMcoolJ said: Anyone following the Craig Whyte trial? Some rather interesting stuff coming out. QC Findlay turning up evidence that would appear to throw oldco and newco under the bus. Rangers had a seven figure maintenance obligation relating to safety of the roof in 2011. Six years later, nothing done to roof but Rangers are self certifying in each intervening year. Letter from HRMC in 2010 confirming specific tax debt, yet Rangers granted Euro License in 2011 as the tax debt had "not been confirmed" at that time according to SFA. Lloyds were going to foreclose in 2011 if the Whyte deal didn't go through. From this, it could be suggested that it was indeed David Murray who killed Rangers and then passed the corpse to Whyte. It would appear that truths are coming out which might benefit Rangers fans in terms of knowing what really went on - but some that may not be that helpful to Rangers moving forward. (David Murray now giving evidence - will be interesting to see how QC Findlay handles him) PS. Don't shoot the messenger!! It was Murray that f*cked Rangers from 1990 onwards they started to accumulate debts that they couldn't trade their way out of which was only going to have one outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMcoolJ Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Larky Masher said: It was Murray that f*cked Rangers from 1990 onwards they started to accumulate debts that they couldn't trade their way out of which was only going to have one outcome. That certainly seemed the case - I think this will make it definitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 1 minute ago, SMcoolJ said: That certainly seemed the case - I think this will make it definitive. It'll be interesting to hear what Murray says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Anyone see Wullie Henderson's comments yesterday? Usual Rangers nonsense. If all else fails spend £50m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, Larky Masher said: It was Murray that f*cked Rangers from 1990 onwards they started to accumulate debts that they couldn't trade their way out of which was only going to have one outcome. agreed. whyte saw the chance to make some cash but it was murray who f*cked it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Squirrelhumper said: Anyone see Wullie Henderson's comments yesterday? Usual Rangers nonsense. If all else fails spend £50m. TBF its a great plan - but who's got the £50m? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 28 minutes ago, Larky Masher said: It was Murray that f*cked Rangers from 1990 onwards they started to accumulate debts that they couldn't trade their way out of which was only going to have one outcome. IIRC, Larky, you were the one Rangers fan i can recall being critical of Murray the board and concerned about what they were doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I haven't read through all the detail of the Whyte trial but I have caught some of it. It seems Donald Findlay is painting the picture that financially Rangers were effed long before Whyte arrived on the scene? The board had considered administration as a way out as early as 2009? Yet, still awarding themselves bonuses. And McCoist had a contract that meant he was due a significant payout if he didn't get managers job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 39 minutes ago, Parklife said: IIRC, Larky, you were the one Rangers fan i can recall being critical of Murray the board and concerned about what they were doing. I was but I just wish my predictions were so accurate with the horses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Larky Masher said: It was Murray that f*cked Rangers from 1990 onwards they started to accumulate debts that they couldn't trade their way out of which was only going to have one outcome. The earliest post on here i can mind from you, is you going on about Murray being an accident waiting to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 42 minutes ago, Big Col said: I haven't read through all the detail of the Whyte trial but I have caught some of it. It seems Donald Findlay is painting the picture that financially Rangers were effed long before Whyte arrived on the scene? The board had considered administration as a way out as early as 2009? Yet, still awarding themselves bonuses. And McCoist had a contract that meant he was due a significant payout if he didn't get managers job. Well Donald should know all about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger intae them Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Does that mean that he's potentially incriminating himself (morally, although he's not well known for his morals....... rather than legally) whilst building a defence for his client?....don't think ol bigoted sideburns would ever commit legal suicide....... Or would he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 7 hours ago, Larky Masher said: It was Murray that f*cked Rangers from 1990 onwards they started to accumulate debts that they couldn't trade their way out of which was only going to have one outcome. he also f**cked the whole of Scottish football other clubs trying to keep up and encouraged a living beyond your means and foreign imports over youth development mentality we've never / never will recover from it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Bino's said: he also f**cked the whole of Scottish football other clubs trying to keep up and encouraged a living beyond your means and foreign imports over youth development mentality we've never / never will recover from it Correct. Scottish football was showing real signs of breaking out of the OF dominance at that point. So along came Souness and with Murray's dodgy chequebook he just bludgeoned the sprouts back into the mud. You can chart the decline of our game since then. They killed themselves but they also killed the game in Scotland (commercially), all willfully aided and abetted by the SFA. Very sad. They should be both held accountable for it. Edited April 26, 2017 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Struggling to find anything in MSM about this trial. Funny that eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 The fatal move for FRC 1899 was to bet the house with HMRC on the advice of a porn star. That is what killed your club. RFC had 100+ year history of burning every penny of investor money in order to win titles. That is the whole ethos of the rangers way, the 'business'. You see it even now post liquidation catastrophe. 'We need someone to put in 50m'... but never any thought of them taking it out ever. That is the deal. You pay for the success. But they got away with it as someone was always willing to take over the mantle and bail them out and fund them back up until they too are too drained and then the next rangers man comes along... Where that changed was when they got themselves into such a big bill with HMRC that it became better to let them sink. Even for very rich very bluenosed people. That was a bill no one was prepared to swallow. That was what killed them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 18 minutes ago, macy37 said: Struggling to find anything in MSM about this trial. Funny that eh? Really I am seeing quite a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 35 minutes ago, macy37 said: Struggling to find anything in MSM about this trial. Funny that eh? Lead item on Reporting Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, Pool Q said: Lead item on Reporting Scotland. Tonight? Didn't see that. I'm maybe looking in the wrong places and also don't purchase papers and concentrate online for news. Some interesting things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu101 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 35 minutes ago, thplinth said: The fatal move for FRC 1899 was to bet the house with HMRC on the advice of a porn star. As an aside to this, i was reading the other day he actually sold his porn company for $25 million. Suppose we will find out good a tax lawyer he was on the back of the Supreme Court ruling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Stu101 said: As an aside to this, i was reading the other day he actually sold his porn company for $25 million. I seem to recall an interview with him where he was wearing a silk dressing gown, possibly a cravat and smoking a pipe... claims RFC just did not follow his advice 'properly'. As ridiculous as this all is he may be right. I still cant accept this will be anything other than a result for HMRC. If it is not we might as well give up. RFC will have destroyed the entire country not just Scottish Football and themselves...it will be like contagion gone mad. When do the supreme court (of dodgy handshakers) pronounce on this? If that goes against RFC I suspect it will eventually lead to title stripping. So maybe it wont. Edited April 26, 2017 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 1 hour ago, macy37 said: Struggling to find anything in MSM about this trial. Funny that eh? 33 minutes ago, macy37 said: Tonight? Didn't see that. I'm maybe looking in the wrong places and also don't purchase papers and concentrate online for news. Some interesting things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 25 minutes ago, thplinth said: I seem to recall an interview with him where he was wearing a silk dressing gown, possibly a cravat and smoking a pipe... claims RFC just did not follow his advice 'properly'. As ridiculous as this all is he may be right. I still cant accept this will be anything other than a result for HMRC. If it is not we might as well give up. RFC will have destroyed the entire country not just Scottish Football and themselves...it will be like contagion gone mad. When do the supreme court (of dodgy handshakers) pronounce on this? If that goes against RFC I suspect it will eventually lead to title stripping. So maybe it wont. You don't half post some hyperbolic pish. RFC will have destroyed the country? Lay off the glue. I'll wait till the end of the trial before I make up my mind on any of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 26 minutes ago, thplinth said: I still cant accept this will be anything other than a result for HMRC. If it is not we might as well give up. RFC will have destroyed the entire country not just Scottish Football and themselves...it will be like contagion gone mad. Speaking of 'gone mad' ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 1 hour ago, thplinth said: Correct. Scottish football was showing real signs of breaking out of the OF dominance at that point. So along came Souness and with Murray's dodgy chequebook he just bludgeoned the sprouts back into the mud. You can chart the decline of our game since then. They killed themselves but they also killed the game in Scotland (commercially), all willfully aided and abetted by the SFA. Very sad. They should be both held accountable for it. Even for someone who regularly produces mad comments on all subjects except football, on a football forum, this is fvcking mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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