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  1. 1. Was Speirs talking the truth or lying

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1 hour ago, Jersey Jim said:

This might be a stupid question, I assume that all of the years in question Celtic were runners up when Rangers were champions?

They also won cup finals against clubs other than Celtic. Dundee United in the league cup for one.

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You have to ask how many lunatic chairmen nearly crippled their clubs trying to compete against them. No doubt it would have affected wages as clubs tried to compete on a very uneven playing field The reality of this is that we may still have clubs servicing their debts for that period and has hampered the game going forward in Scotland. 

 

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2 hours ago, Parklife said:

So talking shite then. Thought that. 

If you had Aberdeen or Rangers pegged to get to the group stage, then you have very little idea of just how difficult that is. 

Rangers losing is a reflection on Rangers only, not our game. And what Tommy Wright says about St Johnstone, is about St Johnstone only. What is it about folk like you that are so desperate to slag Scottish football off? Were you on here saying how great a result it was when Saints be Rosenburg? Or when Aberdeen beat Groningen or Rejika? Were you feck! 

 

 

 

Come on man, the results you mentioned are hardly great, if anything it undermines your argument that you hold decent results against such meagre opposition in high regard.

The standard of the game here in the last 15 or so years are deteriorated rapidly, and suggesting this isn't taking the piss out of the game here, its stating a fact. The game here is a mess. 

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2 hours ago, Parklife said:

Agree totally. 

Okay, probably an unpopular opinion amongst my fellow Bears but I think that would be valid.  If the boot were on the other foot and it was Celtic benefitting from EBTs we'd probably be saying the same.  The only thing in Rangers defence is surely they (surely) would have got the best legal advice to ascertain that the EBTs were legal.  Its a bit like when celebs get done by HMRC for investing in films to get tax relief, you get advice and it turns out to be wrong - surely the people who give you that advice shoudl be accountable as well?  Is it simplistice to think "Well this is a b it borderline should we give HMRC a ring just to make sure it's legit"?

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4 hours ago, RenfrewBlue said:

I have, as have the authorities. 

You are saying it's a new club but want them to pay the oldco bills. How does that work? 

David Murray seems to get it.  From the BBC website at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40501361 ...

He said: "It should be emphasised that there have been no allegations made by HMRC or any of the courts that the club was involved in tax evasion, which is a criminal offence.

"The decision will be greeted with dismay by the ordinary creditors of the club, many of which are small businesses, who will now receive a much lower distribution in the liquidation of the club, which occurred during the ownership of Craig Whyte, than may otherwise have been the case."

 

The man who sold "Rangers" for £1 should know.  Not the holding company and the business assets in a 2 for the price of 1 deal, but the incorporated entity, Rangers.

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Just now, Mark frae Crieff said:

You have to ask how many lunatic chairmen nearly crippled their clubs trying to compete against them. No doubt it would have affected wages as clubs tried to compete on a very uneven playing field The reality of this is that we may still have clubs servicing their debts for that period and has hampered the game going forward in Scotland. 

 

What a pile of sh1te. Rangers cheated. 

You may not like that, SFA may not like that but they cheated. 

They shouldn't even have been demoted. They should have had to apply to rejoin as a new club. 

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14 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

What a pile of sh1te. Rangers cheated. 

You may not like that, SFA may not like that but they cheated. 

They shouldn't even have been demoted. They should have had to apply to rejoin as a new club. 

They most definitely were not "demoted". They started again as a new club, and got huge 'leg-up' by the SFA by allowing the new club to participate in League 2 (bear in mind that wasn't even then lowest rung in the Scottish football ladder) without any audited accounts (2 years worth of which has always been required beforehand).

That said, I think most sensible football fans would agree that having no Rangers at all in the set up probably would have been bad for business and a bit daft (one can't deny they are a huge club) and thus the correct course of action was taken. But in no way were they "demoted"

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23 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

What a pile of sh1te. Rangers cheated. 

You may not like that, SFA may not like that but they cheated. 

They shouldn't even have been demoted. They should have had to apply to rejoin as a new club. 

he doesn't seem to be disputing the fact Rangers cheated. he is talking about the knock on effect that cheating has had on other Scottish clubs in their (fair) attempts to try and compete with Rangers and how some clubs may still be suffering the ill effects of that mad spending period......

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8 hours ago, min said:

Ticketus is an interesting one. Whatever they don't get via the liquidation process (which at 5p in the pound will be most of what they're owed), they have already been through the courts and won the case against Whyte personally for the right to call in various guarantees that he gave. Not sure what they'll actually get from him at the end of the day...

It is Craig Whyte. What do you think... :lol:

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Let's not forget the SFA and the SPL were planning on keeping RFC 1899 in the SPL after going bust. They really tried hard remember. It was only the widespread other club fan rebellion that forced their hand.

And even then RFC 2012 was fast tracked into league 4 (old system). That was a massive bending of the rules for them. But it was 'fair'.

The only way the SFA/ SPL will make this right is exactly the same way they were forced to 'do the right thing' with RFC 1899... if the fans of all the clubs hold their feet to the fire until they do it...again.

The SFA & SPL leadership are revolting. I use that word with precision.

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2 hours ago, Parklife said:

Ahhh, so because you're ignorant, Scottish football is shite? Got ye'... 

Here's a link to Rejika's home form http://int.soccerway.com/teams/croatia/hnk-rijeka/480/matches/ 

Go look at it, look at who the last team to win their was, then look at the teams who failed to win/lost there in the UEL group stages the year before Aberdeen beat them. 

Scotland has percentage head against population the highest attendance weekly at football

 

until recent building frenzy in London. For many decades Glasgow was only city in Europe with three stadia over 50,000 capacity

 

we should be doing so much better than we across club and international game

 

 

the decline from where we were is staggering

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9 minutes ago, thplinth said:

Let's not forget the SFA and the SPL were planning on keeping RFC 1899 in the SPL after going bust. They really tried hard remember. It was only the widespread other club fan rebellion that forced their hand.

And even then RFC 2012 was fast tracked into league 4 (old system). That was a massive bending of the rules for them. But it was 'fair'.

The only way the SFA/ SPL will make this right is exactly the same way they were forced to 'do the right thing' with RFC 1899... if the fans of all the clubs hold their feet to the fire until they do it...again.

The SFA & SPL leadership are revolting. I use that word with precision.

It was basically Turnbull Hutton (RIP) who was having none of it.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/13070920.Turnbull_Hutton__the_riled_Rover/

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/raith-rovers-chief-launches-furious-1131547

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I'm guessing the SFA don't have a law in place or did back then to punish this properly, this is how much of a joke they are. 

 

Title stripping seems appropriate, for that period definitely seems proportionate. Maybe if their fans showed a bit more humility and didn't try to laud the most successful team and most titles etc, people wouldn't find this solution so fitting. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, PapofGlencoe said:

cheers I didn't know that.  In that case, seems like a open and shut case of looking to gain an advantage.

I still feel though that they must have made a right hash of finding a sporting advantage.  it's not like all that 50m over the course of ten years all went to players of any better calibre than what was in the Celtic team.  And it's only 50m over a period of time...much of it going to managers, physios etc.  I still feel the advantage actually gained was marginal.

 

 

 

So that's Celtic. And the other equally important clubs in the SPL?

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That statement is incredibly insulting to all fans who have invested in the game by any means be that through watching on tv or watching live.

A fans revolt is needed along with all clubs joining force to remove those in charge of the SFA.

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1 hour ago, Chief said:

Come on man, the results you mentioned are hardly great, if anything it undermines your argument that you hold decent results against such meagre opposition in high regard.

The standard of the game here in the last 15 or so years are deteriorated rapidly, and suggesting this isn't taking the piss out of the game here, its stating a fact. The game here is a mess. 

Rejika are a damn fine side. Aberdeen's victory over them was impressive. As was our victory over Groningen. 

1 hour ago, Hertsscot said:

Okay, probably an unpopular opinion amongst my fellow Bears but I think that would be valid.  If the boot were on the other foot and it was Celtic benefitting from EBTs we'd probably be saying the same.  The only thing in Rangers defence is surely they (surely) would have got the best legal advice to ascertain that the EBTs were legal.  Its a bit like when celebs get done by HMRC for investing in films to get tax relief, you get advice and it turns out to be wrong - surely the people who give you that advice shoudl be accountable as well?  Is it simplistice to think "Well this is a b it borderline should we give HMRC a ring just to make sure it's legit"?

A fine post. Kudos :ok: 

25 minutes ago, Bino's said:

Scotland has percentage head against population the highest attendance weekly at football

 

until recent building frenzy in London. For many decades Glasgow was only city in Europe with three stadia over 50,000 capacity

 

we should be doing so much better than we across club and international game

 

 

the decline from where we were is staggering

I agree entirely. 

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1 hour ago, Hertsscot said:

Okay, probably an unpopular opinion amongst my fellow Bears but I think that would be valid.  If the boot were on the other foot and it was Celtic benefitting from EBTs we'd probably be saying the same.  The only thing in Rangers defence is surely they (surely) would have got the best legal advice to ascertain that the EBTs were legal.  Its a bit like when celebs get done by HMRC for investing in films to get tax relief, you get advice and it turns out to be wrong - surely the people who give you that advice shoudl be accountable as well?  Is it simplistice to think "Well this is a b it borderline should we give HMRC a ring just to make sure it's legit"?

Evidently not. 

Who sold RFC 1899 the EBT's?

If it was say some big top 6 (or is it 8) accounting firm or some big legal firm specializing in this tax shit and they mis-sold it to you then yes you can sue the shit out of them.

If however it was ultimately a pornstar and before that fhuck knows who else you may find it less clear. What do you think BDO have been doing. Looks like it was a dead end.

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