PASTA Mick Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 12 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said: If only he was just a few years younger He'll be thirty one in a few days time ! Only ever got the one cap. Should have been tried out more during his good spells at Sunderland and Preston. There was a couple of seasons when he was at Preston where he should have been in the team. Great left foot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynze Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 21 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said: If only he was just a few years younger He'll be thirty one in a few days time ! Only ever got the one cap. Should have been tried out more during his good spells at Sunderland and Preston. agreed, nice left foot. certainly no worse than who we had used in that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 He always was a fantastic crosser of the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) An honorary mention for Kenny Miller, not bad still scoring in big games... Edited May 21, 2016 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 McGinn had a good game and Henderson was the difference when he came on. Wallace and McKay were ineffective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 3 hours ago, PASTA Mick said: McGinn had a good game and Henderson was the difference when he came on. Wallace and McKay were ineffective. I think the commentator said something like: this guy Henderson's good at delivering the corners, and next thing, it's assist for Stokes, and 10 mins later, for Gray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelk Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Fletcher got a good 60 minutes of the French cup final last night. Probably touched the ball about 3 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 22 hours ago, PASTA Mick said: McGinn had a good game and Henderson was the difference when he came on. Wallace and McKay were ineffective. McKay moves like a greased whippet on jet-powered roller skates but - going by yesterday anyway - his final delivery looks quite poor. I don't know if he's always like that though. Now, if he could cross it as well as Ross Wallace we might have a player on our hands. 2 hours ago, thewelk said: Fletcher got a good 60 minutes of the French cup final last night. Probably touched the ball about 3 times. Any with his right foot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 4 hours ago, thewelk said: Fletcher got a good 60 minutes of the French cup final last night. Probably touched the ball about 3 times. Seriously though, I'd call it a day with Steven Fletcher's Scotland career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo2576 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 They're hardly queuing up behind him are they? I'm all for exploring other options but to tell, in my opinion, our best forward that he's surplus to requirements is ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 27 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: Seriously though, I'd call it a day with Steven Fletcher's Scotland career. I would too, in an ideal world, but who've we got that's any better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, Paulo2576 said: They're hardly queuing up behind him are they? I'm all for exploring other options but to tell, in my opinion, our best forward that he's surplus to requirements is ludicrous. Twenty six caps and eight goals seems fair enough ................. But six of them were against mighty Gibraltar for christs sake. 7 minutes ago, scotlad said: I would too, in an ideal world, but who've we got that's any better? Whilst I'm not saying they are much better, we need to give Griffith's and McCormack a proper run of games from the start to see what they can do. We won't see them at their best if they just get twenty minutes off the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo2576 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Just now, ErsatzThistle said: Twenty six caps and eight goals seems fair enough ................. But six of them were against mighty Gibraltar for christs sake. Whilst I'm not saying they are much better, we need to give Griffith's and McCormack a proper run of games from the start to see what they can do. We won't see them at their best if they just get twenty minutes off the bench. How many of Fletchers caps were off the bench when kenny miler was the starter? I'll bet about only half of his are from the start? Im sure everyone was screaming for fletcher to play when Miller was everyones favourite target. Im not saying he's kenny dalglish but he has had some fantastic all round games for scotland and has a better technique than anyone we have, bar maybe maloney. Now, none of this detracts he needs to score more goals but there is no way he shouldn't be in our squad every time. Personally don't think Griffiths looks good enough but have been a fan of mcormack for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Paulo2576 said: How many of Fletchers caps were off the bench when kenny miler was the starter? I'll bet about only half of his are from the start? Im sure everyone was screaming for fletcher to play when Miller was everyones favourite target. Im not saying he's kenny dalglish but he has had some fantastic all round games for scotland and has a better technique than anyone we have, bar maybe maloney. Now, none of this detracts he needs to score more goals but there is no way he shouldn't be in our squad every time. Personally don't think Griffiths looks good enough but have been a fan of mcormack for years. Are you Fletcher's agent or a friend of the family ? If you are, then tell him from me that he needs to stop taking about three hours to decide on what foot he's shooting with and stop those stupid flicks he's always trying (and failing) to pull off. Cost us certain goals against Georgia and Ireland at home thanks to the aforementioned. Edited May 22, 2016 by ErsatzThistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo2576 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 12 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: Are you Fletcher's agent or a friend of the family ? If you are, then tell him he needs to stop taking about three hours to decide on what foot he's shooting with and stop those stupid flicks he's always trying (and failing) to pull off. Cost us certain goals against Georgia and Ireland at home thanks to the aforementioned. Yeah I'll tell him. Yo just keep hating half the scotland team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 7 minutes ago, Paulo2576 said: Yeah I'll tell him. Yo just keep hating half the scotland team. When did Steven Fletcher become half the Scotland team ? I don't hate him, I just think he's very overrated and isn't very good. My hate is reserved for Robbie Savage, Nacho Novo and Kyle Lafferty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo2576 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 7 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: When did Steven Fletcher become half the Scotland team ? I don't hate him, I just think he's very overrated and isn't very good. My hate is reserved for Robbie Savage, Nacho Novo and Kyle Lafferty Apologies if Im wrong, do you not normally call for the careers of Brown, Hutton, Whittaker, Greer, Mulgrew, Maloney etc to come to an end as well as Fletchers? My opinion is that Fletcher is an excellent football player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, Paulo2576 said: Apologies if Im wrong, do you not normally call for the careers of Brown, Hutton, Whittaker, Greer, Mulgrew, Maloney etc to come to an end as well as Fletchers? My opinion is that Fletcher is an excellent football player. What's wrong with wanting certain players retired/not picked anymore ? That doesn't mean I hate them. I'm grateful for everything they have done in the past, particularly Brown who used to be a favourite of mine. I just think they are all either too old (Maloney) or their form is in sharp decline (Brown) and offer very little now. They should be replaced with younger players. Some people of course take a flakey when their favourites are dropped ........ I don't want us to go down the Craig Brown road again and keep guys on until they are thirty-eight years old purely because they "never let us down in the past", "they always turned up for the friendlies" or "I just know they've got one more campaign left in them". That strategy is daft and we paid a heavy, miserable price for it in the past. "Fletcher is an excellent football player". Better check your refreshment, I think someone's slipped something into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo2576 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 I agree with everything you have said there in principal, although not necessarily regarding those players mentioned. I just think its uncool to articulate this by ridiculing them and saying they are useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 2 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said: Twenty six caps and eight goals seems fair enough ................. But six of them were against mighty Gibraltar for christs sake. Whilst I'm not saying they are much better, we need to give Griffith's and McCormack a proper run of games from the start to see what they can do. We won't see them at their best if they just get twenty minutes off the bench. Griffiths has found his level and it.s not good enough for international football. How on earth we have not noticed McCormack before now is shocking but he and Fletcher are the best available unless Watt or someone else improves dramatically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 14 minutes ago, Paulo2576 said: I agree with everything you have said there in principal, although not necessarily regarding those players mentioned. I just think its uncool to articulate this by ridiculing them and saying they are useless. You don't think anyone should offer even the slightest criticism of the players or manager ? That's basic human nature. If someone is useless, then they are useless. No point sugar coating it. Alan Hutton for example has been useless for the last two years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo2576 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Ach whatever man. I just don't get the need to come on with the snide comments about some of our players, nothing wrong with criticism of course, just some people seem to rejoice in slagging our players. Hutton still our best right back too!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: You don't think anyone should offer even the slightest criticism of the players or manager ? That's basic human nature. If someone is useless, then they are useless. No point sugar coating it. Alan Hutton for example has been useless for the last two years now. Best of a bad lot I'm afraid. Criticising players for doing their best is a bit pointless. Criticising the manager however is totally different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 I'd be very surprised if Greg Kiltie doesn't earn full caps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 49 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: I'd be very surprised if Greg Kiltie doesn't earn full caps. He was excellent yesterday. Although he was playing against a Falkirk side which massively shat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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