AlfieMoon Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) In this current age of a strained NHS, welfare cuts and food banks - should we be paying almost £18m a year for Methadone to be issued? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-31943109 What are the better alternatives? Edited March 24, 2015 by AlfieMoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasMc1973 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 overdose the lot of them...problem solved... or legalise smack...probably cheaper.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 overdose the lot of them...problem solved... Reply 1. Quicker than expected. The methadone program gets a bad reputation because of the minority who abuse it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasMc1973 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Reply 1. Quicker than expected. The methadone program gets a bad reputation because of the minority who abuse it. Guess I've just met the ones who abuse it, and I include family in that....watched some wee rocket think he was the next mafioso destroy my wee sisters life, until someone put an axe in his heid.....nowts changed except my sister got the feck out of there..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 That works out at £36 a dose. Somebody is making a hefty profit out of that. I could make the stuff for a fraction of the price in my garden shed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 That works out at £36 a dose. Somebody is making a hefty profit out of that. I could make the stuff for a fraction of the price in my garden shed.Interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munroskh Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Legalise all drugs, but Government supplied to that quality is controlled, and tax is raised. The problem with this is that there is a massive 'job creation' market centred around having drugs illegal, with the Armed Forces, Police, Customs, the Legal profession, Social Workers, Health workers and Pharmacists, to name but a few, all depending on this income source. (plus of course the pushers) The market would find its own level, and we could all move onto the next problem. Right now, a lot of people are doing very well out of perpetuating Methadone use, with no coordinated plan to wean users off of it. (or am I being cynical?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 The security services run the drug trade anyway, how else do you think they fund black ops. Our troops were protecting poppy fields in Afghanistan, we've been fighting wars around and for the golden triangle for almost 2 centuries. Then you have the pharmaceutical companies, even worse. to answer the question the net cost of not treating addicts would be probably greater than the £18 million. Considering over £18 billion is spent on diabetes and 90% of diabetes is type 2 of which 7% of that is thought to be cause just by not exercising. That is in the order of magnitude of 10 times more cost than methadone. Obseity counts for 55% of all type 2 cases, thats about £8 billion a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Free gym membership on the NHS, will save a packet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Free gym membership on the NHS, will save a packet... the folk supplying the medicines to treat won't though. Probably got shares in coca cola. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Free gym membership on the NHS, will save a packet... Folk aren't obese because they can't afford to go to the gym. They're obese because they are lazy bastards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Folk aren't obese because they can't afford to go to the gym. They're obese because they are lazy bastards. That's a wee bit simplistic Dr Parklife..Work, stress, family life, money worries, lack of self esteem and many more things are more the cause of obesity than being a lazy Anyway,when the feck do you see a fat methadone user ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Going off topic a bit but aren't we told 1 in 4 are obese? Probably based on BMI which isnt entirely accurate. Walking about no way does 1 in 4 appear obese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 The main driver of the obesity epidemic this last 30 years is the high carb low fat diet that was mis-sold to everyone in the 70's & 80's. That is what has driven the explosion in metabolic disorder syndrome including diabetes. Look at footage of the TA at Wembley in the 70's - compare and contrast the obesity levels to now. A whole nation does not become lazy bastards in one generation, it is the bad food advice that has done this primarily. Blaming the victim is very in vogue with the ignorant but. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Everything is good for you in moderation , even heroin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 That's a wee bit simplistic Dr Parklife..Work, stress, family life, money worries, lack of self esteem and many more things are more the cause of obesity than being a lazy Anyway,when the feck do you see a fat methadone user ? It could be that being a "lazy " contributes to all the conditions that you mention. Could be a chicken and egg situation? I don't know if a drug exists which combats lazy bastarditis.Could be my next project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 The main driver of the obesity epidemic this last 30 years is the high carb low fat diet that was mis-sold to everyone in the 70's & 80's. That is what has driven the explosion in metabolic disorder syndrome including diabetes. Look at footage of the TA at Wembley in the 70's - compare and contrast the obesity levels to now. A whole nation does not become lazy bastards in one generation, it is the bad food advice that has done this primarily. Blaming the victim is very in vogue with the ignorant but. I'd put it more down to copious amounts of cheap takeaways, readymeals and snashters. These things weren't as readily available back then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Going off topic a bit but aren't we told 1 in 4 are obese? Probably based on BMI which isnt entirely accurate. Walking about no way does 1 in 4 appear obese The real fatties never leave the hoose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 It could be that being a "lazy " contributes to all the conditions that you mention. Could be a chicken and egg situation? I don't know if a drug exists which combats lazy bastarditis.Could be my next project. Sulph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Everything is good for you in moderation , even heroin. Herion in it's pure form is acetylated morphine. In my experience morphine is the best drug ever discovered. I don't think I have ever had herion but it is basically the same as morphine. it is supposed to act quicker and needs a smaller dose. In my experience morphine seems to act almost instantaneously, so acting 3 times quicker than instantaneous doesn't seem to be of much benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I'd put it more down to copious amounts of cheap takeaways, readymeals and snashters. These things weren't as readily available back then... And they all tend to have loads of added sugar. often in the form of corn syrup. The development of a process to convert excess production of maize into easily usable and storable corn syrup is one of the main drivers for the obesity epidemic in the US, which has now spread to the UK as well. Unnecessary added sugar is the main cause of obesity and type 2 diabetes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Herion in it's pure form is acetylated morphine. In my experience morphine is the best drug ever discovered. I don't think I have ever had herion but it is basically the same as morphine. it is supposed to act quicker and needs a smaller dose. In my experience morphine seems to act almost instantaneously, so acting 3 times quicker than instantaneous doesn't seem to be of much benefit. Getting given morphine almost made breaking my arm worthwhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasMc1973 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 had morphine post op once.... up the old chute, slept for three days...docs all seemed happy when i woke...i hope to that was morphine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Asked for morphine after a nerve graft once, told am no gettin any in case i get addicted (1984) had to wait till a mate came in with some soft black , that wiz a hoot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacTaz Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 No we shouldn't, give them 6 months to sort their shit out then them off. We refuse cancer treatment drugs because they are supposedly cost ineffective so how can they justify spending millions on folk who for the most part have no real intention of coming off the stuff ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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