Hertsscot Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Looked at front page of Record yesterday (don't worry I didn't buy it). Had Cameron and Clegg standing together with the headline "Condemned to five more years of this pair" (Okay they didn't quite get that right!) Then the article started with the words "Smug David Cameron..." That paper doesn't really do irony does it? If the DR didn't want a PM who has no mandate for Scotland then they should have remained neutral in the Referendum campaign and not been so deceitful in manufacturing / publishing the Vow (incidentally has anyone yet worked out who actually dreamed that one up). Wider question is what will the media in Scotland do now? I get an online copy of the National but don't tend to see the Scottish papers down here except the Record. It seems to be softening its stance a little bit, do people think that papers or TV channels might now be a bit more balanced in their coverage of SNP and independence in general or do you think we'll have the same old, same old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dod Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 With a very few notable exceptions the Scottish media pundits are all Labour, all follow the line, and they can all lick my ring. Part of the reason the SNP won big was because nobody believes their shite after the referendum. They could tell the truth and nobody would believe them. Meanwhile down in England the press played a huge part in the tories winning. We used to be like that. If the rest of the UK was as politically engaged as Scotland the propaganda would be meaningless and we could all live happily together, or apart. As always the BBC can just off any time it likes. Obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 There's going to come a time when some of the Scottish media will be forced to give the SNP a fairer crack of the whip. 50% of the vote is a massive market and they'd be absolutely mental to continue to treat them like idiots. Don't get me wrong, some titles will probably close before they start giving SNP a fair crack of whip, but business sense states that they need to appeal to readers not turn them off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) One party getting 52% of the vote is almost unprecedented in UK politics. In the internet age it seems the media don't matter anymore Edited May 9, 2015 by Haggis_trap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPROAR Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Trinity Mirror has strong links with the Labour Party in London and the position of the Record is directed from there. Simon Fox and many others regulars at Labour party functions and strategy meetings. They will be fighting a 'strong rearguard action' against the SNP from there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motherwell Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 There's going to come a time when some of the Scottish media will be forced to give the SNP a fairer crack of the whip. 50% of the vote is a massive market and they'd be absolutely mental to continue to treat them like idiots. Don't get me wrong, some titles will probably close before they start giving SNP a fair crack of whip, but business sense states that they need to appeal to readers not turn them off. I doubt it. Just watch how many ex MPS now get jobs with the Scottish media. I would like to know how much the BBC pay for some of the chancers they had on TV on Thursday night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 I think all the Scottish papers need to take a long hard look at themselves. The way some of them twisted this way and that to get the outcome they wanted was embarrassing at times - for me epitomised by Scotland on Sunday seemingly trying to drum up tactical voting against SNP, as if the paper itself had no principles other than to oppose the SNP/pro independence. (I mean their editorials and handling of headline coverage, not all the internal content) The Scottish editions of the London papers need to work out what kind of unionism they are really advocating. For the sun I don;t know enough about what they are up to, they will do whatever suits them. The National needs to work out what kind of paper it is, what its own principles are in relation to the SNP and how it can be a presumably 'critical friend' of the party of Government in Scotland. Is it preaching to the converted or is it trying to convert? Because you don;t necessarily convert by preaching. Looking at the Guardian recently it's all too easy to see how a paper can be misled by its own wishful thinking in its uncritical cheerleading for Labour/Miliband in the run up to the election, followed by angry criticism of Miliband/Labour immediately after it. (Again not talking about the whole paper but the editorial and some main thrust of headlines - like leaping on a couple of favourable poll results and proclaiming Labour now turned the tide when it was clear to everyone else nothing had changed). There were some very good individual pieces - e.g. the strange death of Labour in Scotland (coatbridge to be precise). But in general it was so caught up in supporting the Labour cause it too often portrayed SNP as a 'nationalist = ugly' threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted May 9, 2015 Author Share Posted May 9, 2015 I agree with Haggis Trap that in Scotland the internet is becoming much more important and I think we saw that in September - in spite of every daily paper being against independence or sitting on the fence nearly half those who voted voted Yes. I don't think that's happened in England however, long way to catch up. I also agree with Auld Reekie that unless the Scottish papers change their hostile tone they are only going to speed their own demise, sales figures aren't looking good as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 The Record is a Labour rag and like Scottish Labour it is stuck in a time warp and has not one iota of an idea of what Scottish voters want from their Scottish parties. That is why people no longer vote for them like mindless sheep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) According to press previews... Sunday Telegraph headlining on shocking new revelation that the SNP landslide could be a boost for independence Mail on Sunday in dramatic new revelation that Alex Salmond - spotted hiding near back of a photo at Queensferry - is Westminster bound Can these papers not just celebrate their Tory victory and look forward to impending goodies for the haves, without returning to their anti Salmond/SNP/Scotland obsessions for a weekend or two before the first parliament has sat? Edit: remember the Telegraph campaigned embarrassingly desperately for tactical voting, anyone but the SNP, presumably to thwart the very boost for independence it is now pretending it didn't imagine would be the result of a SNP landslide. If it really thought SNP was just a bunch of north british socialists, it would have campaigned like the Sun to ensure the defeat of Labour Edited May 9, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 There's going to come a time when some of the Scottish media will be forced to give the SNP a fairer crack of the whip. 50% of the vote is a massive market and they'd be absolutely mental to continue to treat them like idiots. Don't get me wrong, some titles will probably close before they start giving SNP a fair crack of whip, but business sense states that they need to appeal to readers not turn them off. Do any of the media outlets actually make any money though? Or are they just kind of loss leaders used to help maintain the system which allows their owners to make loads of money through other channels? I'm not sure if the owners care too much about market share as long as they are doing enough to perpetuate the propaganda. Of course if it gets to the stage that almost nobody is reading them, then they would be as well to pull the plug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Analysis of election coverage across UK http://blog.lboro.ac.uk/general-election/media-coverage-of-the-2015-campaign-report-5/ Shows positivity towards Conservative and negative to Labour and SNP Includes top 20 media appearances of individuals including Sturgeon (4th), Murphy (9th=), Salmond (14th) and Danny Alexander (19th) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/may/13/tory-officials-threatened-bbc-miliband-tom-baldwin-licence-fee Somewhat related.... Quite heavy on the irony here, as Labour were at the forefront of a negative referendum campaign that relied heavily on the state broadcaster spreading lies and propaganda.....most of it spoon-fed to them by the likes of McTernan etc. When you sup wi' the devil an' aw that. Labour have paid a high price for shagging around with the Tories. Too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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