Refugee Crisis

[Orraloon]

This is a humanatrian crisis caused by the foreign policy of certain western countries. To turn away refugees and asylum seekers would be sentencing many of them to death.

I agree that mass migration isn't an ideal situation but what's the alternative right now?

Who here would like to live in any of these countries affected by the Wests foreign "policy"?

I agree. I can understand why folk are not too happy about loads of foreigners swarming into their country like insects, but i haven't heard anybody coming up with any better ideas about how to solve the problem.

[Bristolhibby]

I agree. I can understand why folk are not too happy about loads of foreigners swarming into their country like insects, but i haven't heard anybody coming up with any better ideas about how to solve the problem.

Not using imagery like "swarming insects" is a good start.

J

[Kirk]

I did aye . I was there when the wall came down.I was there when they taxed us to pay for the re-building of the former East Germany , a tax that was supposed to be DM15 per month for a period of five years. When I moved back here in 2013 it was still being paid and was by that time 20 Euros (DM40) . As I predicted the standard of the East didn't come up to that of the West , the West went down in standards.

In the intervening years the influx of Albanians , Russians, Poles, and other Eastern Europeans has done nothing to help the German economy. Visit any GERMAN Arbeitsamt and you will meet 90% non Germans. All being supportd by an economy they not contributed to.

F*ck me you are amazing......

Scratch that you're a f*ckin banger

[Fermer]

Yes and no, he doesnt put his points across at all without sounding like a zealot, and issues like this are almost pornographic for him.

For the first time in my adult life, I can agree (in some respect, and on some points) with people who are against 'refugees, immigrants and asylum seekers', I never thought I would say that.

Germanys policy has proven to be an absolute disaster, the latest estimation that I noticed was around 800'000, its probably significantly more than a million now. You simply can not have mass migration of that scale of people, without it causing very significant issues. Im positive that the vast majority of refugees will be decent people looking for a better life, but adding 1% to your population will have huge consequences, and I believe Merkel will pay the price for her actions.

The sex attacks will only cause resentment in Germany, and who can blame them. The whole affair is a disaster.

We absolutely must help people who are suffering, but just as I dont believe the West should be the worlds policeman, I dont think we should be the worlds social system, and as much as this irks me beyond belief, David Camerons policy on refugees and asylum seekers has been correct. The UK will vote to leave the EU, and this topic will have played a massive part in that decision IMO.

An issue like this isnt exactly suited to the internet, for a start, most people, including myself, aren't terribly clued up on all the facts and figures, and the nuances in peoples posts will undoubtedly lead to someone either being tagged as a tree hugging left wing pussy or a right wing racist idiot, the truth being there are hundreds of slots between left and right on this topic. The politicians, the media, the commentators etc cant get this topic right, I doubt the TAMB will either.

[Alan]

Yes and no, he doesnt put his points across at all without sounding like a zealot, and issues like this are almost pornographic for him.

For the first time in my adult life, I can agree (in some respect, and on some points) with people who are against 'refugees, immigrants and asylum seekers', I never thought I would say that.

Germanys policy has proven to be an absolute disaster, the latest estimation that I noticed was around 800'000, its probably significantly more than a million now. You simply can not have mass migration of that scale of people, without it causing very significant issues. Im positive that the vast majority of refugees will be decent people looking for a better life, but adding 1% to your population will have huge consequences, and I believe Merkel will pay the price for her actions.

The sex attacks will only cause resentment in Germany, and who can blame them. The whole affair is a disaster.

We absolutely must help people who are suffering, but just as I dont believe the West should be the worlds policeman, I dont think we should be the worlds social system, and as much as this irks me beyond belief, David Camerons policy on refugees and asylum seekers has been correct. The UK will vote to leave the EU, and this topic will have played a massive part in that decision IMO.

An issue like this isnt exactly suited to the internet, for a start, most people, including myself, aren't terribly clued up on all the facts and figures, and the nuances in peoples posts will undoubtedly lead to someone either being tagged as a tree hugging left wing pussy or a right wing racist idiot, the truth being there are hundreds of slots between left and right on this topic. The politicians, the media, the commentators etc cant get this topic right, I doubt the TAMB will either.

Occasionally this board has posts of reasonable argument and point of view. This is my post of the month (excluding any posts that refer to managers, reporters and attacks with hammers as they still make me chuckle).

[brant grebner]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-35397109

The funny thing about that article and this linked one

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-35358925

is that none of the "refugees" interviewed are from Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan.

Instead it's Sri Lanka, Iran and Sudan.

Fair enough we've probably played a role on destabilising those countries, but part of what makes the UK a great nation is people like Mark Thatcher who have the brains to find areas of conflict and go there; and the chutzpah to start a small business supplying them the weapons that they need. If Mark Thatcher was American, we would all call him an American hero.

For the record, I don't think Mactaz is racist - he's ex-military and has a black sense of humour which means he says things that people take offence at cos we're all a big bunch of overly sensitive feminised delicate flowers who have been whipped in to toeing the HR line of saying and believing nothing that even be misconstrued as offensive because it might upset a hypothetical individual from a minority group or a mentally ill person in a dress who thinks they're a woman but they're not but we can't say that now because it's bigoted to say that unnecessary surgery that breaks the Hippocratic oath doesn't result in a change of gender but instead leads to a fully functional pair of balls in a biohazard bag, a car crash of a "vagina" that starts 2 inches too high, a Filipino doctor with 2 grand in cash and a eunuch with an axe wound that will likely kill himself within 5 years if he's not dead of AIDS by that point.

Like all debates this one is shrouded in disingenuousness.

All people are naturally xenophobic - it's part of the human condition.

Some people fully embrace it and yearn to shoot torpedos at foreigners from their front room window.

Some people don't accept it and overcompensate by saying "that's inappropriate" any time they see a jar of Robertson's Marmalade.

The U.K. and the USA are in part responsible for this mess - we created ISIS and lied so we could rape Iraq - but so are other Arab states like Saudi and Qatar.

How many refugees are they taking in? None

Are there people within the refugees group who are not refugees and exploiting the situation? Undoubtedly.

How many? Fuctifino

Is there a fundmental culture of misogyny within Islam that goes right back to Muhammed ordering his daughter in law to wear a bin bag on her face cos he wanted to rape her every time he looked at her? Aye

Does this have anything to do with the Tarrarush Gamea? Probably

Should we let refugees in? Yeah but not in the numbers done in Germany.

How do we stop this without it turning in to World War 3? Not sure we can.

And the prospect of World War 3 is more upsetting than whether someone who writes posts on a message board is sexually aroused by anti-immigrant sentiment.

Marginally.

[thplinth]

Yes and no, he doesnt put his points across at all without sounding like a zealot, and issues like this are almost pornographic for him.

For the first time in my adult life, I can agree (in some respect, and on some points) with people who are against 'refugees, immigrants and asylum seekers', I never thought I would say that.

Germanys policy has proven to be an absolute disaster, the latest estimation that I noticed was around 800'000, its probably significantly more than a million now. You simply can not have mass migration of that scale of people, without it causing very significant issues. Im positive that the vast majority of refugees will be decent people looking for a better life, but adding 1% to your population will have huge consequences, and I believe Merkel will pay the price for her actions.

The sex attacks will only cause resentment in Germany, and who can blame them. The whole affair is a disaster.

We absolutely must help people who are suffering, but just as I dont believe the West should be the worlds policeman, I dont think we should be the worlds social system, and as much as this irks me beyond belief, David Camerons policy on refugees and asylum seekers has been correct. The UK will vote to leave the EU, and this topic will have played a massive part in that decision IMO.

An issue like this isnt exactly suited to the internet, for a start, most people, including myself, aren't terribly clued up on all the facts and figures, and the nuances in peoples posts will undoubtedly lead to someone either being tagged as a tree hugging left wing pussy or a right wing racist idiot, the truth being there are hundreds of slots between left and right on this topic. The politicians, the media, the commentators etc cant get this topic right, I doubt the TAMB will either.

What would be your view on accepting migrants if you knew the crisis had been largely engineered with the goal of using mass uncontrolled immigration to destabilise Europe. Certain politicians and observers around Europe are making this observation. I also think it is true.

So what then, do you go along with their plan?

I would prefer that people like Blair and Cameron were held to account for using lies to destroy the countries from which many are coming and then for 'us' to stop supporting ISIS as a proxy army to attack Assad. None of that was approved by the ordinary people of Europe quite the reverse so why should we pay the price.

Saudi Arabia has 100,000 air conditioned tents sitting empty that they use for the Haj. Guess how many refugees they have taken. Zero. The gulf states? And who was paying bills for ISIS again? Who was caught with a plane full of the drugs they give ISIS to make them such nutcases?

It is a joke, a set up and yes they do not give a shite about the huge scale of human suffering. They don't give one solitary fukk. I am just bored of being endlessly played. Soros is working overtime to pressure Europe into opening the gates to many many millions more... If you think this guy operates with noble goals you are dreaming. If this is what he wants us to do be sure it is because it is a very bad idea.

[scoobydoo]

How dare they just turn up uninvited and expect to get access to the same health care system as white folks? Fukin spongers. They will be expecting to get white mans jobs and the same wages next.

why should they work when they don't need to as they every benefit going? 14 years this week ive been in australia and I've seen one working. She was a cleaner in a power station and was sacked after a day for thieving. They will never be a part of australian society because it benefits them not to be but to play the victim. Kinda like celtic fans with stronger BO.

If it wasn't for everyone else, us immigrants, they would be wallowing in their own piss every day. The best thing they ever done was take their kids off them to give them half a chance.

[MacWalka]

why should they work when they don't need to as they every benefit going? 14 years this week ive been in australia and I've seen one working. She was a cleaner in a power station and was sacked after a day for thieving. They will never be a part of australian society because it benefits them not to be but to play the victim. Kinda like celtic fans with stronger BO.

If it wasn't for everyone else, us immigrants, they would be wallowing in their own piss every day. The best thing they ever done was take their kids off them to give them half a chance.

[phart]

I saw on the front page of the sun today a story about an anarchist group starting the calais riots, these groups are always chock fu' of agent provocateurs. Never opened the paper to read anymore just caught my eye as i walked passed.

[phart]

If it wasn't for everyone else, us immigrants, they would be wallowing in their own piss every day. The best thing they ever done was take their kids off them to give them half a chance.

Indeed i'm sure in aboriginal culture the day the immigrants came to save them from wallowing in their own pish is enshrined as a holy day.

Stealing generations worth of children could be categorised as "genocidal"and was at the time., they talked about "breeding the colour" out of "them"

You're just straight up prejudiced against them.

[redstevie007]

The funny thing about that article and this linked one

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-35358925

is that none of the "refugees" interviewed are from Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan.

Instead it's Sri Lanka, Iran and Sudan.

Fair enough we've probably played a role on destabilising those countries, but part of what makes the UK a great nation is people like Mark Thatcher who have the brains to find areas of conflict and go there; and the chutzpah to start a small business supplying them the weapons that they need. If Mark Thatcher was American, we would all call him an American hero.

For the record, I don't think Mactaz is racist - he's ex-military and has a black sense of humour which means he says things that people take offence at cos we're all a big bunch of overly sensitive feminised delicate flowers who have been whipped in to toeing the HR line of saying and believing nothing that even be misconstrued as offensive because it might upset a hypothetical individual from a minority group or a mentally ill person in a dress who thinks they're a woman but they're not but we can't say that now because it's bigoted to say that unnecessary surgery that breaks the Hippocratic oath doesn't result in a change of gender but instead leads to a fully functional pair of balls in a biohazard bag, a car crash of a "vagina" that starts 2 inches too high, a Filipino doctor with 2 grand in cash and a eunuch with an axe wound that will likely kill himself within 5 years if he's not dead of AIDS by that point.

Like all debates this one is shrouded in disingenuousness.

All people are naturally xenophobic - it's part of the human condition.

Some people fully embrace it and yearn to shoot torpedos at foreigners from their front room window.

Some people don't accept it and overcompensate by saying "that's inappropriate" any time they see a jar of Robertson's Marmalade.

The U.K. and the USA are in part responsible for this mess - we created ISIS and lied so we could rape Iraq - but so are other Arab states like Saudi and Qatar.

How many refugees are they taking in? None

Are there people within the refugees group who are not refugees and exploiting the situation? Undoubtedly.

How many? Fuctifino

Is there a fundmental culture of misogyny within Islam that goes right back to Muhammed ordering his daughter in law to wear a bin bag on her face cos he wanted to rape her every time he looked at her? Aye

Does this have anything to do with the Tarrarush Gamea? Probably

Should we let refugees in? Yeah but not in the numbers done in Germany.

How do we stop this without it turning in to World War 3? Not sure we can.

And the prospect of World War 3 is more upsetting than whether someone who writes posts on a message board is sexually aroused by anti-immigrant sentiment.

Marginally.

[phart]

The funny thing about that article and this linked one

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-35358925

is that none of the "refugees" interviewed are from Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan.

Instead it's Sri Lanka, Iran and Sudan.

Fair enough we've probably played a role on destabilising those countries, but part of what makes the UK a great nation is people like Mark Thatcher who have the brains to find areas of conflict and go there; and the chutzpah to start a small business supplying them the weapons that they need. If Mark Thatcher was American, we would all call him an American hero.

For the record, I don't think Mactaz is racist - he's ex-military and has a black sense of humour which means he says things that people take offence at cos we're all a big bunch of overly sensitive feminised delicate flowers who have been whipped in to toeing the HR line of saying and believing nothing that even be misconstrued as offensive because it might upset a hypothetical individual from a minority group or a mentally ill person in a dress who thinks they're a woman but they're not but we can't say that now because it's bigoted to say that unnecessary surgery that breaks the Hippocratic oath doesn't result in a change of gender but instead leads to a fully functional pair of balls in a biohazard bag, a car crash of a "vagina" that starts 2 inches too high, a Filipino doctor with 2 grand in cash and a eunuch with an axe wound that will likely kill himself within 5 years if he's not dead of AIDS by that point.

Like all debates this one is shrouded in disingenuousness.

All people are naturally xenophobic - it's part of the human condition.

Some people fully embrace it and yearn to shoot torpedos at foreigners from their front room window.

Some people don't accept it and overcompensate by saying "that's inappropriate" any time they see a jar of Robertson's Marmalade.

The U.K. and the USA are in part responsible for this mess - we created ISIS and lied so we could rape Iraq - but so are other Arab states like Saudi and Qatar.

How many refugees are they taking in? None

Are there people within the refugees group who are not refugees and exploiting the situation? Undoubtedly.

How many? Fuctifino

Is there a fundmental culture of misogyny within Islam that goes right back to Muhammed ordering his daughter in law to wear a bin bag on her face cos he wanted to rape her every time he looked at her? Aye

Does this have anything to do with the Tarrarush Gamea? Probably

Should we let refugees in? Yeah but not in the numbers done in Germany.

How do we stop this without it turning in to World War 3? Not sure we can.

And the prospect of World War 3 is more upsetting than whether someone who writes posts on a message board is sexually aroused by anti-immigrant sentiment.

Marginally.

The Honourable Sir Mark Thatcher 2nd Baronet, you mean?

EDIT: In fact it was the son of the Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher and the son of the former England Cricket Captain and Commander of the British Empire George Mann who organised the coup. Sorry i mean an air ambulance to help poor Africans.

Edited January 25, 2016 by phart

[Mitre]

Yes and no, he doesnt put his points across at all without sounding like a zealot, and issues like this are almost pornographic for him.

For the first time in my adult life, I can agree (in some respect, and on some points) with people who are against 'refugees, immigrants and asylum seekers', I never thought I would say that.

Germanys policy has proven to be an absolute disaster, the latest estimation that I noticed was around 800'000, its probably significantly more than a million now. You simply can not have mass migration of that scale of people, without it causing very significant issues. Im positive that the vast majority of refugees will be decent people looking for a better life, but adding 1% to your population will have huge consequences, and I believe Merkel will pay the price for her actions.

The sex attacks will only cause resentment in Germany, and who can blame them. The whole affair is a disaster.

We absolutely must help people who are suffering, but just as I dont believe the West should be the worlds policeman, I dont think we should be the worlds social system, and as much as this irks me beyond belief, David Camerons policy on refugees and asylum seekers has been correct. The UK will vote to leave the EU, and this topic will have played a massive part in that decision IMO.

An issue like this isnt exactly suited to the internet, for a start, most people, including myself, aren't terribly clued up on all the facts and figures, and the nuances in peoples posts will undoubtedly lead to someone either being tagged as a tree hugging left wing pussy or a right wing racist idiot, the truth being there are hundreds of slots between left and right on this topic. The politicians, the media, the commentators etc cant get this topic right, I doubt the TAMB will either.

Excellent post

[Orraloon]

Not using imagery like "swarming insects" is a good start.

J

I was just paraphrasing our glorious leader.

[brant grebner]

The Honourable Sir Mark Thatcher 2nd Baronet, you mean?

EDIT: In fact it was the son of the Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher and the son of the former England Cricket Captain and Commander of the British Empire George Mann who organised the coup. Sorry i mean an air ambulance to help poor Africans.

Yes. Mark Thatcher.

Were it not for Simon Le Bon, Mark Thatcher would easily top every current poll for greatest living Briton.

[fishcumnock]

He's only living because the sas let him live ,unlike the poor kkuntz

he left to rot in jail.

[Lamia]

This is a humanatrian crisis caused by the foreign policy of certain western countries. To turn away refugees and asylum seekers would be sentencing many of them to death.

I agree that mass migration isn't an ideal situation but what's the alternative right now?

Who here would like to live in any of these countries affected by the Wests foreign "policy"?

Yeah we have a cheek complaining. If we don't want to deal with a refugee crisis then we need to stop creating them.

Yup he is even more racist than MacTaz - incredible I know but there you go.

[Lamia]

I find the reaction of people from a nation whose people imposed themselves on so many other countries for purely economic gain the height of hypocrisy considering how these people treated those native to those countries.

[Ally Bongo]

The audio is a bit out of sync but a good debate

[Orraloon]

The audio is a bit out of sync but a good debate

Aye, quite a good discussion. My favorite bit was "America is really good at assimilating immigrants".

But again, they are good at highlighting the issues but not many ideas on how the problem can be solved. Maybe there just isn't much we can do, and we have to just let things naturally take there course and react to the problems as they arise. That seems to be the tactic so far.

[phart]

"Moderate" Muslims fleeing their homeland, which will empty out the middle east of all the moderate Muslims and leave it to ISIS and the other extremists" All the moderate Muslims coming to Europe will make it less tolerant and moderate"

is the proposition. 200 million Muslims in the middle east by the way.

"historical Europeans are not having babies anymore, so the only people having babies in France, German and England are the new Muslim immigrants" what this is doing is having a huge demographic change and giving rise to a backlash of right wing nationalist parties in France and the Netherlands"

Meh you'll find that the largest percentage of births have no religion at all by a country mile. Also it happens with every demographic, First generations always have more children and then the birth rate drops, for sub-continental folk it is an average of 4 per family, so culturally have more children than Brits. Also most mulsims are under 25 here.

Personally I don't give a feck, but i can understand the worry with culture clashes, years ago on here we had this debate with Kernie and folk were trying to paint him as a right-wing racist for questioning the immigration policy. My thoughts are pretty much the same, culture clashes are real as feck. It's nothing to do with prejudice but to do with resisting change etc. Feck i live in a cul-de-sac and a new person moved in and parked their car in a way that isn't done round these parts and everyone gets pissy about it.

[phart]

Although, to be fair children are just the religion of their parents.

[MacTaz]

Yeah we have a cheek complaining. If we don't want to deal with a refugee crisis then we need to stop creating them.

Yup he is even more racist than MacTaz - incredible I know but there you go.

Hhaahahhaahahahahaha wHAT A LOAD OF PISH ! Tell me Susan , how many refugees have you taken in ? How many have you helped in any way, waving plaquards and chanting trendy slogans don't count .

Edited January 27, 2016 by MacTaz

[thplinth]

https://youtu.be/uGfP8CyJAhg