malky24 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Please discuss. The rugby World Cup is on and the referee has the option of speaking to a 4th official to check if an offence has been committed,using video replay. If the team Captain could challenge the referee's decision up to three times during a match, the outcome of games would be much fairer. I thought the 1st Polish goal was offside last night and Walters goal in Dublin was definetly offside. If these decisions had been challenged, Scotland would be 4 points better off, Poland 2 points worse off, and Ireland would be 2 points worse off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norsefox Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 As a football fan I don't want it. And that's despite being done over by decisions against Italy, Wales, Ireland, Czech Republic, Moldova/Macedonia and Poland. I can't remember the last time a clearly poor decision was given in our favour. Certainly none that made a jot of difference to the result. But then you make your own luck. If we'd beaten Georgia and not thrown away 4 points from leading positions against Poland, we would have qualified - regardless of the points Germany had gifted Poland and Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malky24 Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 As a football fan I don't want it. And that's despite being done over by decisions against Italy, Wales, Ireland, Czech Republic, Moldova/Macedonia and Poland. I can't remember the last time a clearly poor decision was given in our favour. Certainly none that made a jot of difference to the result. But then you make your own luck. If we'd beaten Georgia and not thrown away 4 points from leading positions against Poland, we would have qualified - regardless of the points Germany had gifted Poland and Ireland. But surely when the stakes are so high, it shouldn't come down to luck. I had a feeling that decisions had been going against us, but not that many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stactuso85 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Had to laugh at the ref last night - he gave Poland a nothing free-kick in midfield (Polish player dropped to his knees and felt sorry for himself) then Poland messed it up and Fletcher scored. The ref was annoyed at us messing up his script so a few minutes later he dishes out an immediate yellow card to one of our players (Brown?) for a challenge on the sideline that was a foul and nothing more. Never a yellow card. He certainly got his revenge with the injury time and what looked another soft free kick from where I was standing. You just KNEW they were going to score from it. I did. I also believe if they didn't get that free kick the game would have finished 2-1, they pressured us but it looked like they'd done all they can. Edited October 9, 2015 by stactuso85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nek Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 But surely when the stakes are so high, it shouldn't come down to luck. I had a feeling that decisions had been going against us, but not that many. Ireland suffered the mother of all bad decisions wigh henrys handball and have since dusted themselves off and qualified for stuff, you make your own luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nek Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Had to laugh at the ref last night - he gave Poland a nothing free-kick in midfield (Polish player dropped to his knees and felt sorry for himself) then Poland messed it up and Fletcher scored. The ref was annoyed at us messing up his script so a few minutes later he dishes out an immediate yellow card to one of our players (Brown?) for a challenge on the sideline that was a foul and nothing more. Never a yellow card. He certainly got his revenge with the injury time and what looked another soft free kick from where I was standing. You just KNEW they were going to score from it. I did. I also believe if they didn't get that free kick the game would have finished 2-1, they pressured us but it looked like they'd done all they can. can i borrow your tin hat sometime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stactuso85 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 No, winter is coming, need to keep warm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norsefox Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Had to laugh at the ref last night - he gave Poland a nothing free-kick in midfield (Polish player dropped to his knees and felt sorry for himself) then Poland messed it up and Fletcher scored. The ref was annoyed at us messing up his script so a few minutes later he dishes out an immediate yellow card to one of our players (Brown?) for a challenge on the sideline that was a foul and nothing more. Never a yellow card. He certainly got his revenge with the injury time and what looked another soft free kick from where I was standing. You just KNEW they were going to score from it. I did. I also believe if they didn't get that free kick the game would have finished 2-1, they pressured us but it looked like they'd done all they can. What a load of drivel. The clearest cautionable offence not given last night was when Steven Fletcher sprinted half the length of the pitch and rugby tackled the winger. Goals are occasionally ruled out when onside and given when offside. That is football. I'm yet to see a sensible proposal for how to add TV replays into football which doesn't ruin the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stactuso85 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Wasn't talking about TV replays or Fletcher's 'rugby tackle', just venting about the ref. He was petty and at times one-sided. Like a yellow. It's funny how scared some people are at the though that some officials may actually be corrupt or biased though , but he probably wasn't, just shite. Edited October 9, 2015 by stactuso85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norsefox Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Wasn't talking about TV replays, just venting about the ref. He was petty and at times one-sided. Like a yellow. It's funny how scared some people are at the though that some officials may actually be corrupt or biased though , but he probably wasn't, just shite. If they were corrupt, Holland wouldn't have had Martins Indi sent off after 15 minutes for a minor kick out against Iceland. Having a player 'cautioned unfairly' or a close offside call not given isn't bias - it's a split second judgement which sometimes (or in this campaign, slightly more so) goes against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stactuso85 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 You're right, looking back I could have worded my first post better, it just made me laugh how eager he was to dish out a needless yellow (imo) for a foul minutes after we scored. As for split second decisions, some folk around me were adamant the linesman was not up with play, daydreaming like our defence. Video replays? Used to be against them, not so much now. The extra officials introduced to stand behind the goals seem to be useless so either go all the way or don't bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Rampant Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) You're right, looking back I could have worded my first post better, it just made me laugh how eager he was to dish out a needless yellow (imo) for a foul minutes after we scored. As for split second decisions, some folk around me were adamant the linesman was not up with play, daydreaming like our defence. Video replays? Used to be against them, not so much now. The extra officials introduced to stand behind the goals seem to be useless so either go all the way or don't bother. Brown was booked before the Fletcher goal and it was a pretty bad foul on Lewandowski, deserved his yellow. Thought the ref wasn't the best, but couldn't argue with the majority of his decisions. As for the injury time, 4 minutes wasn't outrageous considering both sides made 3 subs each and there was a fanny on the pitch that held the game up. Edited October 9, 2015 by Lion Rampant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deedee Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 there was a fanny on the pitch that held the game up. That was Lewandovski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Please discuss. The rugby World Cup is on and the referee has the option of speaking to a 4th official to check if an offence has been committed,using video replay. If the team Captain could challenge the referee's decision up to three times during a match, the outcome of games would be much fairer. I thought the 1st Polish goal was offside last night and Walters goal in Dublin was definetly offside. If these decisions had been challenged, Scotland would be 4 points better off, Poland 2 points worse off, and Ireland would be 2 points worse off. You do know that if the goal had been chopped off at the start,the match wouldn't have played out how it did,aye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Will people please stop saying " you make your own luck." A complete nothing phrase that makes me want to barf every time I hear it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabtheBruce Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 If anyone doesn't believe corrupt officials aren't part of the game they couldn't have paid attention to the decisions that got Japan to the quarters and South Korea to the semi-final of the WC they co-hosted. Many other sports effectively use Hawkeye et cetera to determine outcomes. The sooner football does it the better. A balance can be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabtheBruce Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Even when there is no corruption involved, humans make far too many bad mistakes when officiating which can change games. Bigger clubs and countries tend to benefit from more decisions going their way imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Am no asking for loads of good luck just no more feckin bad luck please! Two offside goals that impacted on the result of two games, chop them off and our group takes on a should new complexion. Yes we should've despatched Georgia and didn't. Yes we should've been better when twice led Poland but weren't but we just don't need bad breaks like that on top of our own shortcomings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMcoolJ Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I'm normally pretty quick to find fault with refs (sitting watching John Lacey hand the All Blacks points at Tongas expense- terrible referee) but I don't think the ref had a bad game last night. The foul brown committed was a yellow all day long! (I was watching the Germany game at the time of the Ritchie "foul", so can't comment). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McExpat Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Would love to see video replays in football, the fact that are not already, particularly in this day and age with all the top end tech is ridiculous. Having repays would restore some of the faith I've lost in game over the years, I am sure that would be the case with many other supporters of all teams and countries. Why anyone wouldn't want to ensure a game plays out in a true and honest fashion is beyond me. The stakes are too high and the pain can be too much to bear when decisions go wrong. Do we really want to miss out on qualifying for a World Cup or Euro Championships, or see a World Cup or Champions League Final won and lost due to a wrong decision, surely no fan would want that. To make matters worse, cheats are often rewarded with wrong decisions, ie diving for penalties, again surely no real fan of the game wishes cheats to have an easy platform to practice their devious intentions. Video replays will become the norm before long so why not embrace them sooner rather than later and put and end to dodgy decisions and heartache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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