wwta2007.com Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Nicola says pro-Independence must show 60% consistently in the polls before we go for Indy2. We have been achieving this since the May General Election. So, why are we waiting and what are the consequences if we miss the bus? The SNP answer is the polling support would disappear in the event of an absence of the Gold-Standard-Rolls-Royce referendum that we “need” in order to assert our self-determination. Meantime Westminster vote to renew Trident whilst laughing at the impotence of our 56 SNP MP’s. Trident clearly deters Daesh. NOT. Concurrently, Westminster scheme to support NATO in their move to commit to boots-on-the-ground war in the Middle East using NATO Article 5 as a result of the Daesh attacks on France ; Article 5 determines attack one NATO country you attack them all. France has already stated the attack was “la guerre” so UK is obliged to join in. Does austerity get worse if we have to pay for “la guerre”? Mais, oui, mes petits-chouxs. So while we wait here are a few things to consider and discuss. http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/snp-hold-30-point-lead-in-new-ipsos.html Averaging James Kelly’s “poll of polls” (based on the LATEST polls from five companies) Constituency/Regional figures show SNP on 50% + Greens on 7%. Additionally, at least 17 polls since May GE show an average SNP 52%, Greens 8%, RISE/SSP 3%, totalling 63%. For the sake of argument, pro-Indy at 57% + 63% average is 60%. Let’s reverse the logic. Focus on the $hit performance of the Enema. Labour 21%, Tory 15%, Libdem 5%, UKIP 2%, totalling 43%. Are they likely to improve in Scotland in the few months left before Holyrood 2016? Can anyone honestly see them improving beyond 45%? Labour are currently indulging in vicious foreplay before blood on the walls of the Regional List decision room. None of them want to stand as a Constituency candidate evidenced by the Glaswegian public-school Hutchie Grammar Socialist Sarwar making his play this week or Rowley’s U-turn to get on the List (Deputy Branch Leader BTW !) Labour voted against allowing family credit to be devolved. WTF is their position on Trident? Labour will be fortunate to take 20% in May 2016. They are the STRONGEST Loyalist party yet they are in complete tatters. SNP hold 95% of Westminster seats. Based on the above figures Pro-Indy parties may take 80 MSP seats of 131, or minimum 60% of seats. UDI is very unlikely to be declared in May 2016. Why the fvk not ? “Why are we waiting”? Still we’ve got The Trump to look forward to as US President with Osborne or Boris as PM……………..can anyone hear the skirl of the pipes and the rattle o’ the drum as we’re told what bonnie fichters we are for the Westminster/DC led NATO Empire………………tick, tock, tick, tock……………. UDI anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee-toon-red Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Pro-independence parties may be polling at 60% but support for independence itself is only just pushing 50%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Your stats are rubbish. You can't equate voting SNP and Green as voting for independence - polls show it not to be true, as did the referendum. I haven't seen a single poll with Yes at 55% let alone 60%. Cool yer jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 The same roaster who was promoting Indy marches on here wants UDI, just 14 months after the country voted against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwta2007.com Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 Pro-independence parties may be polling at 60% but support for independence itself is only just pushing 50%. OK. So what is actually stopping the pro-indy parties for going from self=government ? The UN Charter, Chapter 1 Principles & Purposes ,Article 1, "The purposes of the UN are: To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples." No mention of a requirement for a Referendum. Catalonia is going for UDI in December in spite of Madrid's opposition. For the life on me I don't know why we aren't doing the same. Feart we lose ??? Hope over fear. Aain. And again. And again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwta2007.com Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 The same roaster who was promoting Indy marches on here wants UDI, just 14 months after the country voted against it. I'll take self-government any way I can get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 not gonna happen, nor should it IMO. we have set the standard, we need to abide by it. It will be Indy ref 2 in 2022/23. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 OK. So what is actually stopping the pro-indy parties for going from self=government ? The settled will of 55% of the Scottish electorate?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jailender Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 UDI won't happen . FACT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I'll take self-government any way I can get it. I want Independence. However, i value democracy more than Independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) I want Independence. However, i value democracy more than Independence. I hope you're not expecting independence to deliver democracy? Can't remember anybody promising that. Edited November 19, 2015 by Orraloon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I hope you're not expecting independence to deliver democracy? Can't remember anybody promising that. Democracy is shite. People are stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee-toon-red Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 OK. So what is actually stopping the pro-indy parties for going from self=government ? The UN Charter, Chapter 1 Principles & Purposes ,Article 1, "The purposes of the UN are: To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples." No mention of a requirement for a Referendum. Catalonia is going for UDI in December in spite of Madrid's opposition. For the life on me I don't know why we aren't doing the same. Feart we lose ??? Hope over fear. Aain. And again. And again. Probably because the approximate (at this stage only based on polls) 50% of the population who still aren't convinved to vote Yes in a referendum wouldn't be too keen on having it unilaterally forced upon them. As others have said, the 2014 referendum set the precedent and that's how we'll eventually get independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelk Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 not gonna happen, nor should it IMO. we have set the standard, we need to abide by it. It will be Indy ref 2 in 2022/23. Yeah. In the meantime the lives of the people need to become a bit less comfortable (thanks Tories) and some old people need to die off (thanks nature). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByronLoon1986 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Good things come to those who wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Talk of UDI is utterly moronic. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockodile Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 UDI is only possible in a scenario where we would comfortably win a ref with more than 60% but Westminster refused to allow a ballot as it is a reserved matter. Until this arises talk of UDI is delusional and counterproductive, need to persuade soft No voters, not foist indy onto them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 The only time I would support udi is at some hypertherical future where Westminster consistently block a poll, Scottish government runs a consultative poll and results are 60+ in favour for independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_burger Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 It will take time. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_Notts Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 UDI would totally create a scorched earth reaction from the rUK. Not that a indy vote going yes would be much better, but rUK relations would be full on hell with UDI. Its not worth the bother unless things got so bad and there was no other option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_Zeppelin Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 UDI is the preserve of zoomers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Its not worth the bother unless things got so bad and there was no other option Things will never be that. Despite what some might say, we're not exactly being oppressed... Except by capitalism! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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