thplinth Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Not sure any posts are personal information. They are just a historical statement of opinion. Back when this board was started folk thought that money was to be made by advertising on the back of popular posts and so on... It is funny... the money is in the content of what we posted...years and years of super rich content. Really excellent stuff that was routinely expunged by whoever it was on here over the years. (Please do not explain who it it was as I will never have no respect for whoever it was). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Based on this it's difficult to see how data is actually being stored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_Zeppelin Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Based on this it's difficult to see how data is actually being stored. There is no interpretation of the DPA that would mean that an e-mail address and person's real name would not be considered personal data. As for how it's being stored, it's being stored electronically. ie there will be a database linked to the forum software that will hold all members details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 In brief – what does the Data Protection Act say about keeping personal data? The Act does not set out any specific minimum or maximum periods for retaining personal data. Instead, it says that: Personal data processed for any purpose or purposes shall not be kept for longer than is necessary for that purpose or those purposes. This is the fifth data protection principle. In practice, it means that you will need to: review the length of time you keep personal data; consider the purpose or purposes you hold the information for in deciding whether (and for how long) to retain it; securely delete information that is no longer needed for this purpose or these purposes; and update, archive or securely delete information if it goes out of date. The basic premise of Data Protection is that organisations can only collect data from you and use it for the purpose of it's collection. The way this applies to the TAMB is that in order to register you have to give them your e-mail and real name. This is personal data and must be deleted as soon as there is no purpose any more. ie If a member leaves the TAMB their personal data should be deleted ASAP. I've requested they delete this data as I no longer wish to be a member. So far they have refused to delete it. Obviously as soon as it's deleted my account disappears. I've offered them a compromise in the "voluntary ban" where my username will not be on the current users list but my details will remain on an archive so they can prevent any banned member from reregistering. They refuse this compromise too. Why they are being so stubborn I don't know but I can be as stubborn as them and if they don't delete my data or accept my compromise the ICO is getting an e-mail. The fact that the TAMB runs adverts to pay for itself means they are not exempt from the DPA. You do get that these are just guidelines and are there for interpretation? Even the bit about adverts is misleading, it actually would revolve around a revenue stream and its definition. Personal data? Hmmm, this place doesn't have a working email for me, nor a valid date of birth, not sure a username can be construed as personal so that just leaves a name that may or may not be real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 There is no interpretation of the DPA that would mean that an e-mail address and person's real name would not be considered personal data. As for how it's being stored, it's being stored electronically. ie there will be a database linked to the forum software that will hold all members details. So it's not as clear cut as you're making out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_Zeppelin Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 You do get that these are just guidelines and are there for interpretation? Even the bit about adverts is misleading, it actually would revolve around a revenue stream and its definition. Personal data? Hmmm, this place doesn't have a working email for me, nor a valid date of birth, not sure a username can be construed as personal so that just leaves a name that may or may not be real. From the board guidelines Anonymous registration is not permitted. Users registering must submit their real name and a valid e-mail address. Whether someone registers with a false e-mail address and name is irrelevant, by accepting the registration the mods are accepting they are genuine and so they must be treated within the guidelines of the DPA. And yes, I do accept that my interpretation may not be the same same interpretation that ICO put on it. But, as I have said I have nothing to lose by making a report, it's not me who is taking the chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 From the board guidelines Anonymous registration is not permitted. Users registering must submit their real name and a valid e-mail address. Whether someone registers with a false e-mail address and name is irrelevant, by accepting the registration the mods are accepting they are genuine and so they must be treated within the guidelines of the DPA. And yes, I do accept that my interpretation may not be the same same interpretation that ICO put on it. But, as I have said I have nothing to lose by making a report, it's not me who is taking the chance. You were attempting to use this as a big stick to get your way and appear to have been found out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_Zeppelin Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 You were attempting to use this as a big stick to get your way and appear to have been found out. In what way have I been found out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 From the board guidelines Anonymous registration is not permitted. Users registering must submit their real name and a valid e-mail address. Whether someone registers with a false e-mail address and name is irrelevant, by accepting the registration the mods are accepting they are genuine and so they must be treated within the guidelines of the DPA. And yes, I do accept that my interpretation may not be the same same interpretation that ICO put on it. But, as I have said I have nothing to lose by making a report, it's not me who is taking the chance. Chance about what? ICO have issued 29 fines in two years and funnily enough nothing of this scale (and I mean small) mostly cold calling companies and a couple about cops losing stuff. And since you are fond of cut and paste. Here is one from ICO about social media. What other rights do I have?You also have the right to stop organisations using your information to send you direct marketing. You should get the opportunity to opt in or opt out of receiving such marketing at the point you give your personal details. You should also have the opportunity to change your preference later if you change your mind. If you would like to see or correct personal information that is held about you, or if you think there is a problem with how your personal information has been collected online, or how it is being used, you should first contact the person or organisation responsible for collecting the information. The provider of the service or website you have given the information to should give details of how you can contact those responsible – often this information is in the privacy notice on its website. If you complain to an organisation about the collection or use of your personal information, they should be able to explain to you how they are processing your personal information in line with the Data Protection Act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 In what way have I been found out? We are no longer in "failing to comply with my request will mean you are in breach of the DPA" territory as you were challenged on this and it appears that rather sweeping statement is an exaggeration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_Zeppelin Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 We are no longer in "failing to comply with my request will mean you are in breach of the DPA" territory as you were challenged on this and it appears that rather sweeping statement is an exaggeration. I did DPA training, albeit over ten years ago. I was Data Controller for a company I was was IT manager for. I'm not doing this as an uninformed amateur. There is no doubt that the TAMB hold personal data of mine and there is little doubt about the TAMB having to comply with the DPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 This is by far the nuttiest thread in the history of the board. I'm proud to have played a small part in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin4 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 This is by far the nuttiest thread in the history of the board. I'm proud to have played a small part in it. Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I did DPA training, albeit over ten years ago. I was Data Controller for a company I was was IT manager for. I'm not doing this as an uninformed amateur. There is no doubt that the TAMB hold personal data of mine and there is little doubt about the TAMB having to comply with the DPA. So the ICO will concur with your interpretation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) I did DPA training, albeit over ten years ago. I was Data Controller for a company I was was IT manager for. I'm not doing this as an uninformed amateur. There is no doubt that the TAMB hold personal data of mine and there is little doubt about the TAMB having to comply with the DPA. I am not quite sure why you think the TAMB is not complying with the guidelines. They don't post or sell personal information, in fact and could argue that retaining a link to a poster is protecting them from future claims. Of the information they hold about the only bit that had to be true at a point in time is not in the public domain. Example: Who posted this copyright infringing stuff? Dunno. We let him post what he wanted and then deleted any links to the individual. Actually paused the TV. I think the TAMB could reasobaly show that there is a need for the limited personal information that they hold. The example below being a case in point. Just for the record, I deal with this pish today. Edited December 13, 2015 by andymac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Anyway, I'm looking forward to the Admin4 Christmas Recipies thread....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_Zeppelin Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 So the ICO will concur with your interpretation? I believe they will but like all things legal they may not. I think I have a very high chance of success but I'm not naive enough to think it's 100% I also believe that I may have to stop posting and request that my details are deleted from an external e-mail address, but I'm giving the mods a chance to respond here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil r Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I was nice yesterday, saw a subject that I've posted on before (Handball) and posted my opinion, politely. Within a couple of posts the board troll appears and starts his "Declan, plastic paddy" nonsense at me. So, I press the report button, as your supposed to instead of responding in kind. I message admin4 to bring her attention to it. Within a few minutes admin4 has not only decided to do nothing about my complaint, she posts on the thread itself to let everyone know I've reported someone and to publicly rub in my face the fact that she's going to do nothing about it. A grown man crying to the internet. Mopetastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Jesus fekkin wept Any chance you can ban me so I don't have to read this pure riddy beemur shite ? You would need to insult Admin 4 on a culinary level before you get that kind of response. Dunnoe why EKCelt hasn't tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 This is by far the nuttiest thread in the history of the board. I'm proud to have played a small part in it. I'm sure this whole thread is just here to mask the fact that Hearts are shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Out of interest, what exactly are you complaining about? I noticed that your external link to your photo site has gone but you could have done that yourself at any time. Equally you can change your name (as I just have). So the only link was an invisible email address to the stuff you posted here. Good luck with your legal case. Edited December 13, 2015 by andymac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Have Celtic ever dropped a point after their Europa League games? I don't recall it happening. Incredible stat but nobody will wish to give us any credit for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Have Celtic ever dropped a point after their Europa League games? I don't recall it happening. Incredible stat but nobody will wish to give us any credit for it. Always thought that sort of pish was the kind of thing managers used as an excuse for losing games. Only a Tim could use it after winning I think 'love us, love us, love us' Good result today in fairness, was definitely a potential banana skin, given how Saints have been playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Always thought that sort of pish was the kind of thing managers used as an excuse for losing games. Only a Tim could use it after winning I think 'love us, love us, love us' Good result today in fairness, was definitely a potential banana skin, given how Saints have been playing. I'll put that rod away now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I'll put that rod away now. Ah, THAT'S what you were going for? Silly me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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