tartandon Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 It does seem a stretch that the set up went to this level! That the police would actually murder and burn a young lassie, but if it was just an opportunist act to set him up, the timing really was fortunate to say the least! Just when their necks are on the chopping block, a young lassie turns up dead, last seen at Averys house having had a documented meeting with him.... That doesn't really add up either, it seems far too coincidental. It leaves 3 possibilities I can see. 1. Avery did do it, but probably not how they said he did. 2. Another member of the Avery family did it. 3. The police arranged it all (although maybe didn't actually "do it") Having seen the way they operate, I can't easily disregard option 3, but in all honesty option 1 seems the most likely. I suppose there's a 4th possibility, that someone else did it and framed Avery. I don't think the police did it. But they certainly planted evidence. I reckon: Policeman 1 phoned in the car plate after coming across it somewhere and worked with Policeman 2 to plant it on the Avery property. The 2 police also planted the key The 2 police planted the blood evidence from the vial in the car Avery is clearly a dodgy fukker and he may well have done the murder, but I reckon the police capitalised on the missing lassie and they planted the evidence. The car evidence is suspect The blood evidence is suspect The car key is suspect. If all that stuff was planted by the police as appears evident, and you ignore it, there isn't enough evidence to convict them beyond a reasonable doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Yup. Tadych and Bobby Dassey looked like the most likely to me. Each giving the other an alibi with their "hunting trip" and both in the vicinity of Theresa hallbach when she was last seen. We have just finished, and said this too. Tadych also spoke of being delighted at the verdicts didn't he? I notice the the two defence lawyers were on the news 'rubishing' recent criticism of the documentary. Ill need to do a bit of reading and see what else is out there. Purposely been avoiding it until I had watched it through. It just seems incredible that there were so MANY contradictions in the evidence. Investigating officers, caught bang to rights lying and such like. Will be interesting to see how it all develops anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I've just started listening to a podcast called "Serial" which like MAM is a true crime story about a young boy convicted of a murder with not a lot of evidence. The murder was committed in 1999 and the podcast created in 2015 so at the point the boy has already served about 14 years in prison. All of this is revealed early in the first episode so not really a spoiler. I've just finished the first episode and it's already got my attention. I wasn't sure how the format would work on a podcast as opposed to a TV show but it's definitely worth checking out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I've just started listening to a podcast called "Serial" which like MAM is a true crime story about a young boy convicted of a murder with not a lot of evidence. The murder was committed in 1999 and the podcast created in 2015 so at the point the boy has already served about 14 years in prison. All of this is revealed early in the first episode so not really a spoiler. I've just finished the first episode and it's already got my attention. I wasn't sure how the format would work on a podcast as opposed to a TV show but it's definitely worth checking out.Serial is brilliant! You'll be hooked soon! Adnan's story was very intriguing. I won't say more and spoil anything. It's now on to series 2, where they're examining Bowe Bergdahl's desertion from the US army & subsequent capture by the Taliban. It's also kinda in real time, as Bergdahl has recently been court marshalled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Serial is brilliant! You'll be hooked soon! Adnan's story was very intriguing. I won't say more and spoil anything. It's now on to series 2, where they're examining Bowe Bergdahl's desertion from the US army & subsequent capture by the Taliban. It's also kinda in real time, as Bergdahl has recently been court marshalled. I had been surprised there hadn't been a new one, but suppose it takes time to make that sort of thing. Serial is good! I do a lot of driving for work so rattled through it quite quickly. (In fact, I heard about it a few weeks in, but had caught up and had to wait a week each for the last few.) A lot of comparisons were drawn between the 2 earlier in the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasMc1973 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 wee bit more food for thought... http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/making-a-murderer-steven-averys-lawyer-on-the-evidence-left-out-20160115?utm_content=inf_10_2720_2&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=tsejan2016&tse_id=INF_889a064cac8349e0b3b69480797b91ac Still doesn't speak if Avery is innocent though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Seems plausible... http://huff.to/1ZGAHyW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86glebestreet Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Police find single key in bedroom, photograph in paper showing she had a bunch of keys, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Police find single key in bedroom, photograph in paper showing she had a bunch of keys, I think it was clarified on the show that it was a spare key that was found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 The Valet key, i've not even seen it, just folk talking to me about it, my dad must have started it a couple of days ago, He was on the phone asking who did it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 My spare key is in a vase in the living room, I dont think many people would keep their spare key on them, unless of course they have lost their main key. The whole key thing stinks, I still think he killed her, but theres no evidence he did, and he certainly shouldnt be in jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Just about finished watching this - totally baffled like everyone else. my gut tells he didn't do it - Avery is probably a bad bugger and has probably pissed off to many folk hence the stich up (and the small matter of a 30 odd million payout due from the state) Re the key wasnt it "found" after 3 days with none of Halbachs DNA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 My spare key is in a vase in the living room, I dont think many people would keep their spare key on them, unless of course they have lost their main key. The whole key thing stinks, I still think he killed her, but theres no evidence he did, and he certainly shouldnt be in jail. A wee bit contradictory But i get what you are saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 On episode 6. Agree 1st is slow but me, it gets interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 There's a new documentary on next Saturday night on the documentary channel ID at 10pm. Says it's going to show stuff not covered in 'Making a Murderer' and includes one-on-one interviews with people like Kratz. Saw a trailer which shows Kratz saying 'Avery targeted Halbach' so he hasn't changed his tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 The top wrongful conviction lawyer in America has taken over his case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartandon Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 There's a new documentary on next Saturday night on the documentary channel ID at 10pm. Says it's going to show stuff not covered in 'Making a Murderer' and includes one-on-one interviews with people like Kratz. Saw a trailer which shows Kratz saying 'Avery targeted Halbach' so he hasn't changed his tune. cheers for the heads up. I've set the Sky+ for this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHTOWER 1314 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I personally think there is certain police and that idiot kratz who are corrupt as feck.How they can even come to the verdict for avery with the evidence available is a joke.I still have 2 episodes to watch so dont say any more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHTOWER 1314 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I watched the other 2 episodes and still cant get my head round the fact that they 2 were found guilty of murder without any dna evidence.It was dna that got avery out of jail after 18 years but it wasnt needed to prove his guilt this time round.An absolute joke conviction.If they had done the murder why try to get rid of the body outside his hoose when theres 1000s of miles of forest etc round about them.Why was the lassies car key found in averys hoose 6 days after it had been checked was it at least twice with nothing found.All of a sudden the key appears with averys dna on it but not hers.Why did Brendan Dafty admit to being involved in her killing when he wasnt.I have never seen anything like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I eventually got access to this last night. I can see why you're all engrossed in it - absolutely mental. I thought the whole thing was a spoof until I googled 'Steven Avery'. Tremendous viewing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McExpat Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Seen it for the first time early last night, stayed up till late morning watching all the episodes! Possible theories; How about suicide on the part of the deceased? The police find her with her brains blown out, say in a random field so many yards from her car and decide to frame Avery for murder. They have a deceased, a body and a guy that is causing them major pain at this time.....  Police execution? For all those thinking the police wouldn't have killed her that assumption is most likely based on the deceased being an innocent, law abiding citizen, with no beef with anyone but what if she wasn't so innocent and law abiding, what if she had a beef with police, or one for their family members, what if she had information that could lead to outrage or charges for a police officer or  what if she was having an affair with someone in law Inforcement? You see what simply threatening a police officer's wife led to for Steven Avery, you can imagine what it could lead to for others.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 1 hour ago, McExpat said: Seen it for the first time early last night, stayed up till late morning watching all the episodes! Possible theories; How about suicide on the part of the deceased? The police find her with her brains blown out, say in a random field so many yards from her car and decide to frame Avery for murder. They have a deceased, a body and a guy that is causing them major pain at this time.....  .. There is a video from the deceased where she talks of dying. The lack of evidence in the bedroom for me was the one thing I couldnt get my head round.  Also the deceaseds brother and ex boyfriend concern me.  the ex boyfriend knew the deceaseds password to access her voicemail and erased the messages..  It was his search party that led to finding the car in the Avery scrapyard. Avery had a crusher, why did he not crush the car and hide it amongst the scrap?   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 15 hours ago, giblet said:  Avery had a crusher, why did he not crush the car and hide it amongst the scrap?  Because he was too busy clearing every last scrap of DNA evidence from the blood soaked bedroom!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86glebestreet Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Fairbairn said: Because he was too busy clearing every last scrap of DNA evidence from the blood soaked bedroom!! He must have used a few bottles of vanish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMcoolJ Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 2 hours ago, 86glebestreet said: He must have used a few bottles of vanish Aye and it must have been fairly fancy Vanish too - the stuff that only cleans up human DNA but leaves traces of deer DNA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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