Toepoke Posted January 4, 2016 Author Share Posted January 4, 2016 64 senior teams Jas? The main issue I'd have with regional leagues would be that a couple of central belt teams would be disadvantaged by a lot of travelling north. Maybe they could rotate the central belt teams involved in the northern division? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Reconstruction and expansion is fine as long as it has all been decided before a ball is kicked. In other words get something in place by this summer to start in 17/18 season. I would also suggest this time a team is still relegated or goes through a play off rather than keep the top 12 then add the required numbers to get to the agreed new figure. Agree on all points. Any other way is honking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 its a no bad start.. Div Wan: 16 teams Div Twa: 16 teams then Div Three north and south each with 16 teams fed by lower amateur and junior leagues if they wish to play with the big boys. 3 up 3 down from every level - 3 teams relegated auto, 2 auto promoted with play off for final place. the north south divide changes each year depending on where the teams are located. play each other twice, loss of only 3 or 4 home games.... That's exactly what I said! A great idea. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 64 senior teams Jas? The main issue I'd have with regional leagues would be that a couple of central belt teams would be disadvantaged by a lot of travelling north. Maybe they could rotate the central belt teams involved in the northern division? Depends how you define "senior". We have 42 teams in the SPFL but all the Highland and Lowland League clubs, plus the East of Scotland are technically "senior". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gala Tartan Army (Borders) Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Seen a lot worse ideas, aside from the fact that there should be two relegation spots in each league. Need to expand pyramid system - it has seen a vast improvement in standard of non-league teams in the south (or lowland area) both on and off the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 its a no bad start.. Div Wan: 16 teams Div Twa: 16 teams then Div Three north and south each with 16 teams fed by lower amateur and junior leagues if they wish to play with the big boys. 3 up 3 down from every level - 3 teams relegated auto, 2 auto promoted with play off for final place. the north south divide changes each year depending on where the teams are located. play each other twice, loss of only 3 or 4 home games.... aye, roughly the same as I said, but put better. 3rd place top and 3rd place bottom should have a play off . Play offs are good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Aw c'mon, nobody under 70 buys the Post... ok Mr Poke, I will give you that wan,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckielugger Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 No one has mentioned that a 16 team division = 30 games. U couldn't have a third round of fixtures as it takes it up to 45 games Unless there is an intention for the top 8 and bottom 8 to play each other once more giving 37 games which would work An alternative set uo (which I've not seen suggested yet) is divisions of 14... These could have 26 games followed by a 7/7 split with 12 further games giving a 38 game league. This has benefits above current 6/6 split in that it gives an equal number of home and away games to everyone, unlike now. Also the leading clubs might be more willing to share top division funds between 14 rather than the more diluted 16 teams. So maybe two divisions of 14 each with a 7/7 split for latter part of season. Then a nth & sth division of maybe 16 teams each playing a shorter 30 game season (or 14 teams each also with a 7/7 split) (or 18 teams each playing a 34 game season). Also there should be a push to include leading Junior clubs in any expanded SPFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 John Robertson put forward a top 14 team league idea. He had a top 6 and bottom 8 for it. So top teams play 36 games and bottom play 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo87 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 My only issue with a 7/7 split is not everyone being able to play each week. Which in itself isnt that much of an issue but I dont think you can have a league finish with not everyone playing on the last day. Just wouldnt be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) I prefer the split as it is with only 5 post split games. Being in a "bottom 8" for 14 weeks would be horrible. There was also the way the old 14 team 1st and 2nd divisions worked, playing each other 3 times for a 39 game season. Not ideal but it worked for years. A 16 team division could split after 30 games into 4 mini leagues for 6 more games... Edited January 21, 2016 by Toepoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintydave Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Could give the bottom 8 a little edge by allowing the "winner" a playoff for the last European spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 the split is shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 The split is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Could give the bottom 8 a little edge by allowing the "winner" a playoff for the last European spot? Ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 the split is shit The split is good Splitists..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasMc1973 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 No one has mentioned that a 16 team division = 30 games. U couldn't have a third round of fixtures as it takes it up to 45 games Unless there is an intention for the top 8 and bottom 8 to play each other once more giving 37 games which would work An alternative set uo (which I've not seen suggested yet) is divisions of 14... These could have 26 games followed by a 7/7 split with 12 further games giving a 38 game league. This has benefits above current 6/6 split in that it gives an equal number of home and away games to everyone, unlike now. Also the leading clubs might be more willing to share top division funds between 14 rather than the more diluted 16 teams. So maybe two divisions of 14 each with a 7/7 split for latter part of season. Then a nth & sth division of maybe 16 teams each playing a shorter 30 game season (or 14 teams each also with a 7/7 split) (or 18 teams each playing a 34 game season). Also there should be a push to include leading Junior clubs in any expanded SPFL. The reason I've stopped going to any games is playing each other 4 times a year is just boring.... if the TVs want their four old firm games again, have a super cup at the start of teh season where league winners and runners up play the two cup winners in a mini tournament.... Killie v hamilton 4 times a year... gimme strength,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) The reason I've stopped going to any games is playing each other 4 times a year is just boring.... if the TVs want their four old firm games again, have a super cup at the start of teh season where league winners and runners up play the two cup winners in a mini tournament.... Killie v hamilton 4 times a year... gimme strength,, I'd like to think the 4 Old Firm games argument has been well and truly neutralised in recent years. Borrowed from the Killie forum:- "Another idea that might be interesting would be to use the American system of playing inter division games. 12 team Premiership & Championship, play each other twice but also every Premiership team plays every Championship team once. So a 34 game league season where you come up against 23 different teams." Edited January 21, 2016 by Toepoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 The reason I've stopped going to any games is playing each other 4 times a year is just boring.... if the TVs want their four old firm games again, have a super cup at the start of teh season where league winners and runners up play the two cup winners in a mini tournament.... Killie v hamilton 4 times a year... gimme strength,, I see your point. I've been to 2 away games all season, east Fife and Morton in the league cup, as it was somewhere different. Probably going to go to firhill in a few weeks, as I've not been that many times. The thought of going to Rugby park or stmirren park AGAIN doesn't really excite me, I was glad to see the back of St Mirren! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 The reason I've stopped going to any games is playing each other 4 times a year is just boring.... if the TVs want their four old firm games again, have a super cup at the start of teh season where league winners and runners up play the two cup winners in a mini tournament.... Killie v hamilton 4 times a year... gimme strength,, or have a Glasgow Cup at Hampden every August to start season off, Rangers V celtic. 3 would be enough... I havent missed them at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 No one has mentioned that a 16 team division = 30 games. .fans whinge about too many games and going to see shit games against a team four times a season. This way you onlyget two shit games and the poor petals won't whinge so much. Win win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 fans whinge about too many games and going to see shit games against a team four times a season. This way you onlyget two shit games and the poor petals won't whinge so much. Win win. The clubs aren't going to vote to lose 1/4 of their home games, which is the main source of income to them. No matter how well you package it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debian Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 We have 42 teams. Add in the top 3 from the Highland and Lowland Leagues or a couple of ambitious juniors for 48. Make 3 leagues of 16 = 30 games. Then have 8 groups of 6 for a league cup playing home and away for another 10 games or 12 groups of 4 for 6 games. Gives each club their full quota of home and away games plus if they're in a group with decent teams finances would be boosted. Have the league cup in the summer. Prem 2 down and 3rd bottom in a play off. Div 1, 2 up and 3rd play 4th, and 5th play 3rd bottom from the prem and 2 winners play off in the final. Same for the second division. Bottom of 2nd division plays the winner of the Lowland and Highland Leagues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 We have 42 teams. Add in the top 3 from the Highland and Lowland Leagues or a couple of ambitious juniors for 48. Make 3 leagues of 16 = 30 games. Then have 8 groups of 6 for a league cup playing home and away for another 10 games or 12 groups of 4 for 6 games. Gives each club their full quota of home and away games plus if they're in a group with decent teams finances would be boosted. Have the league cup in the summer. Prem 2 down and 3rd bottom in a play off. Div 1, 2 up and 3rd play 4th, and 5th play 3rd bottom from the prem and 2 winners play off in the final. Same for the second division. Bottom of 2nd division plays the winner of the Lowland and Highland Leagues It's as easy as that. Why can't the SFA/SPFL see it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The clubs aren't going to vote to lose 1/4 of their home games, which is the main source of income to them. No matter how well you package it!maybe more folk will go to an individual game if there are less overall games. Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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