Scunnered Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Gathering of public service workers outside Parliament protesting Swinneys evilness. Pleasing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilly71 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Public Service workers or Labour lackey Union Rep's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Public Service workers or Labour lackey Union Rep's? Your signature has never been more apt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 The Scottish Conservatives said the exact same thing about the bedroom tax rebates, that worked out well. Another alternative would be for the Scottish Government to reduce their business subsidies in favour of protecting public services. If they did then maybe the excuse of services being cut due to Westminster cuts would carry more weight. Was that versus looking at every single one on a case by case basis? That's not rhetorical, I'm just guessing that was the alternative solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2016/02/02/the-better-together-tax/ "hypocrisy squared" I like that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Was that versus looking at every single one on a case by case basis? That's not rhetorical, I'm just guessing that was the alternative solution? Sorry, I don't understand the question. Probably my fault rather than yours . I'm on my 5th 16 hour shift in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Sorry, I don't understand the question. Probably my fault rather than yours . I'm on my 5th 16 hour shift in a row. With the bedroom tax, were the 2 options: Charge everyone bedroom tax and have a rebate process. Or Look at every household in a case by case basis. I'm pretty ignorant on such matters, but that was the question I was trying to ask. If that was the case, a rebate system actually makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 With the bedroom tax, were the 2 options: Charge everyone bedroom tax and have a rebate process. Or Look at every household in a case by case basis. I'm pretty ignorant on such matters, but that was the question I was trying to ask. If that was the case, a rebate system actually makes sense. The mitigation of. the bedroom tax came after the tax was already in force. It wasn't just a simple case of people not being charged after mitigation, local authorities & housing associations had to painstakingly contact every affected household to arrange reimbursement details, including written agreements on who was to receive payment in the event of joint tenancy. It would have taken thousands of man hours but it was a moment to be proud of the Scottish Government. This could be another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 The Scottish Conservatives said the exact same thing about the bedroom tax rebates, that worked out well. Another alternative would be for the Scottish Government to reduce their business subsidies in favour of protecting public services. If they did then maybe the excuse of services being cut due to Westminster cuts would carry more weight. Can you point me on-line to details of these subsidies ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 The Scottish Conservatives said the exact same thing about the bedroom tax rebates, that worked out well. . Do you think so? Do you have cost to LA for administering DHP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 The mitigation of. the bedroom tax came after the tax was already in force. It wasn't just a simple case of people not being charged after mitigation, local authorities & housing associations had to painstakingly contact every affected household to arrange reimbursement details, including written agreements on who was to receive payment in the event of joint tenancy. It would have taken thousands of man hours but it was a moment to be proud of the Scottish Government. This could be another. It was but I would rather not waste my money on bureaucracy so your definition of worked out well is not mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 There are also still people who are not receiving the bedroom DHP so it didn't really work out for them either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Stewart Hosie @StewartHosieSNP 2m2 minutes ago Labour abstaining on SNP amendment about delivering Smith in full & committing UK Govt to no detriment principle. Shameful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Can you point me on-line to details of these subsidies ? They're in the budget... As they have been in every single SNP budget. Only the conservatives voted with the SNP on their budget tonight you'll be surprised to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 They're in the budget... As they have been in every single SNP budget. Only the conservatives voted with the SNP on their budget tonight you'll be surprised to hear. I will have a search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I will have a search. You and I discussed this at reasonable length last year. My position remains unchanged, no businesses should be subsidised at the expense of public services. I do understand your position though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 You and I discussed this at reasonable length last year. My position remains unchanged, no businesses should be subsidised at the expense of public services. I do understand your position though I receive not one single penny in subsidy or anything else from the Scottish Govt (or any other Govt for that matter). I understand and (in general) agree with your position. But and its a huge but the problem is "at the expense of" - that is very hard/impossible to determine. Politics. I found the budget and have seen the figures - I have absolutely no idea of the usefulness of these subsidies, simply not sufficient data (that I am aware of) so cannot condemn or support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 A good point brought in debate up by young Harvie. The income tax raises may have left some out of pocket, but how many jobs has Swinneys budget just axed that would have been saved? I'll put my conservative estimate in at 10,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Why as an individual would you pay more tax when the government is reducing the top rate of tax for high earners and reducing corporation tax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 From the House of Commons today Kirsty-BlackmanI understand that the Labour party is feeling a bit sad, because, as it has not been successful enough to be in government in either country, it is not involved in these negotiations. Now that the shadow Secretary of State has the opportunity to have his say, can he please tell us what method of block grant adjustment Labour would favour?Ian MurrayWell, we do not know—[Laughter.] Let me answer the question! Also had another SNPBad speech from Labour warmonger Kevan Jones who was criticising the SNP for not caring about the people of England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Why as an individual would you pay more tax when the government is reducing the top rate of tax for high earners and reducing corporation tax? As an individual, you would pay more tax if the government telt you too. Most taxpayers don't have the option of not paying. Of course it's a different situation for higher earners. Nobody needs to pay 40% tax unless they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 As an individual, you would pay more tax if the government telt you too. Most taxpayers don't have the option of not paying. Of course it's a different situation for higher earners. Nobody needs to pay 40% tax unless they want to. Aye you'd be off your head to give any government more money than you had to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilly71 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Your signature has never been more apt. I'll take that as a yes then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 As an individual, you would pay more tax if the government telt you too. Most taxpayers don't have the option of not paying. Of course it's a different situation for higher earners. Nobody needs to pay 40% tax unless they want to.Aside from from paying more into their pension I'm struggling...or donating money to charity with Gift Aid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'll take that as a yes then Some would say that Labour don't have a few hundred Scottish members. Feel free to poke fun at people worried about their jobs, it's not something I would ever do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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