stocky Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Was Gary Locke the worst ever Killie manager? Statistically and Actually. Dundee Utd put 5 past Killie Dundee put 4 past Killie Thistle put 5 past Killie Hamilton put 4 past Killie.. They are the ones off the top of my head.any more? I presume even in the relegation years things werent as band as that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT FELT LIKE IT. AJ WAS AWFUL TOO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one t in scotland Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) Kilmarnock were in the bottom tier of Scottish football not that ago and were absolutely rank throughout the entire 80's. Or did the bank write off these seasons from the records too in a 'good deal' for KFC historians? Edited February 20, 2016 by one t in scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewarty66 Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 12 minutes ago, one t in scotland said: Kilmarnock were in the bottom tier of Scottish football not that ago and were absolutely rank throughout the entire 80's. Or did the bank write off these seasons from the records too in a 'good deal' for KFC historians? True. But we were only part time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 14 minutes ago, one t in scotland said: Kilmarnock were in the bottom tier of Scottish football not that ago Showing your age there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Seeing as you asked so politely Mr S.... Years Manager Pld W Win % 2015-16 Gary Locke 43 11 25.6% 2013-15 Allan Johnston 66 20 30.3% 2011-13 Kenny Shiels 95 27 28.4% 2010-11 Mixu Paatelainen 34 15 44.1% 2010 Jimmy Calderwood 23 7 30.4% 2001-10 Jim Jefferies 327 117 35.8% 1996-01 Bobby Williamson 246 89 36.2% 1994-96 Alex Totten 98 31 31.6% 1992-94 Tommy Burns 112 48 42.9% 1988-92 Jim Fleeting 162 68 42.0% 1984-88 Eddie Morrison 188 65 34.6% 1981-84 Jim Clunie 179 58 32.4% 1977-81 Davie Sneddon 162 63 38.9% 1973-77 Willie Fernie 184 66 35.9% 1968-73 Walter McCrae 256 93 36.3% 1965-68 Malc. McDonald(2) 141 67 47.5% 1957-65 Willie Waddell 389 215 55.3% 1950-57 Malc. McDonald(1) 297 137 46.1% 1948-50 Alex Hastings 77 27 35.1% 1947-48 Tom Mather 37 15 40.5% 1945-47 Tom Smith 77 18 23.4% 1938-40 Jimmy McGrory 108 45 41.7% 1919-38 Hugh Spence 807 312 38.7% 1910-19 James McDonald 343 131 38.2% 1906-10 Barry Grieve 141 41 29.1% 1895-02 Charlie Smith 159 86 54.1% So in terms of winning games he's second worst overall and the worst since the 1940s! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Locke has got to have the worst home record ever. Some of his results at rugby park were shocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 Thanx Interesting stuff Mixu in the top 5.. best since 1969.... i thought Shields was better.. but 3rd worst or only Locke worse that him since war. Has there ever been a season ( half a season) when the immediate teams around Killie have won with such ease and scored so many... Willie Waddell is impressive 6 managers called Jim/Jimmie/James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 In terms of defeats Locke was actually third worst, Allan Johnston and Jimmy Calderwood were worse... Years Manager Pld L Loss % 2015-16 Gary Locke 43 22 51.2% 2013-15 Allan Johnston 66 36 54.5% 2011-13 Kenny Shiels 95 37 38.9% 2010-11 Mixu Paatelainen 34 13 38.2% 2010 Jimmy Calderwood 23 12 52.2% 2001-10 Jim Jefferies 327 145 44.3% 1996-01 Bobby Williamson 246 90 36.6% 1994-96 Alex Totten 98 46 46.9% 1992-94 Tommy Burns 112 32 28.6% 1988-92 Jim Fleeting 162 51 31.5% 1984-88 Eddie Morrison 188 77 41.0% 1981-84 Jim Clunie 179 69 38.5% 1977-81 Davie Sneddon 162 55 34.0% 1973-77 Willie Fernie 184 69 37.5% 1968-73 Walter McCrae 256 100 39.1% 1965-68 Malcolm McDonald (2) 141 44 31.2% 1957-65 Willie Waddell 389 98 25.2% 1950-57 Malcolm McDonald (1) 297 103 34.7% 1948-50 Alex Hastings 77 34 44.2% 1947-48 Tom Mather 37 16 43.2% 1945-47 Tom Smith 77 39 50.6% 1938-40 Jimmy McGrory 108 40 37.0% 1919-38 Hugh Spence 807 336 41.6% 1910-19 James McDonald 343 139 40.5% 1906-10 Barry Grieve 141 67 47.5% 1895-02 Charlie Smith 159 47 29.6% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) 32 minutes ago, stocky said: Has there ever been a season ( half a season) when the immediate teams around Killie have won with such ease and scored so many... Yes indeed. 1982-83 was an absolute nadir:- Rangers (A) 0-5 Motherwell (A) 1-4 Dundee (A) 2-5 Dundee Utd (A) 0-7 Celtic 0-4 Morton (A) 0-3 Dundee Utd 0-5 Celtic (A) 0-4 Hibs (A) 1-8 Dundee Utd 0-4 Celtic 0-5 Aberdeen (A) 0-5 Needless to say we came bottom Edited February 20, 2016 by Toepoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 14 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Yes indeed. 1982-83 was an absolute nadir:- Rangers (A) 0-5 Motherwell (A) 1-4 Dundee (A) 2-5 Dundee Utd (A) 0-7 Celtic 0-4 Morton (A) 0-3 Dundee Utd 0-5 Celtic (A) 0-4 Hibs (A) 1-8 Dundee Utd 0-4 Celtic 0-5 Aberdeen (A) 0-5 Needless to say we came bottom oooft Dundee Utd put 16 past ya... 1-5 seems ok amongst that record..... they were good then tho.... Locke had some poor at home tho.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 11 minutes ago, stocky said: oooft Dundee Utd put 16 past ya... 1-5 seems ok amongst that record..... they were good then tho.... Aye they were Champions that season. They also beat us 7-0 in 1981. One of those games is on youtube, it's too painful to search for though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironbrew Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 42 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Yes indeed. 1982-83 was an absolute nadir:- Rangers (A) 0-5 Motherwell (A) 1-4 Dundee (A) 2-5 Dundee Utd (A) 0-7 Celtic 0-4 Morton (A) 0-3 Dundee Utd 0-5 Celtic (A) 0-4 Hibs (A) 1-8 Dundee Utd 0-4 Celtic 0-5 Aberdeen (A) 0-5 Needless to say we came bottom Where were Hearts that year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironbrew Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Where were Hearts that year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 18 minutes ago, ironbrew said: Where were Hearts that year? Promoted from Div 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 4 hours ago, one t in scotland said: Kilmarnock were in the bottom tier of Scottish football not that ago and were absolutely rank throughout the entire 80's. Or did the bank write off these seasons from the records too in a 'good deal' for KFC historians? The 80's were strange times for football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 3 hours ago, Toepoke said: Aye they were Champions that season. They also beat us 7-0 in 1981. One of those games is on youtube, it's too painful to search for though. That might have been the game where wee jum fined the players for not trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 5 hours ago, stocky said: i thought Shields was better.. but 3rd worst or only Locke worse that him since war. Kenny Shiels had some poor runs of results. But had the knack of beating the Old Firm like no other Killie boss I've known. He was the hoodoo buster: First win v Rangers at new Rugby Park (17 years). First win over Celtic in Glasgow for 55 years. First win at Celtic Park in 57 years. First League Cup win, 60 years after Killie's first final. About the only jinx he didn't break was knocking Rangers out the Scottish Cup, 78 years and counting! We should maybe have given him a caretaker job for the cup tie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan cake Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 11 hours ago, Scunnered said: I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT FELT LIKE IT. AJ WAS AWFUL TOO! Both hertz chunts, do the math Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan cake Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) 10 hours ago, one t in scotland said: Kilmarnock were in the bottom tier of Scottish football not that ago and were absolutely rank throughout the entire 80's. Or did the bank write off these seasons from the records too in a 'good deal' for KFC historians? I dared to mention that a while ago and upset the boards resident killie mouthpiece Ayr were the big team in Ayrshire when i first started going to Easter road Edited February 21, 2016 by dan cake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one t in scotland Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 14 hours ago, Scunnered said: Showing your age there I still recall Killie v. Thistle games from the mid '80s. The football equivalent of two bald men fighting over a comb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 6 hours ago, dan cake said: I dared to mention that a while ago and upset the boards resident killie mouthpiece Ayr were the big team in Ayrshire when i first started going to Easter road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 29 minutes ago, killiefaetheferry said: ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 7 hours ago, dan cake said: Ayr were the big team in Ayrshire when i first started going to Easter road The 70s? There was a six year period where Ayr finished above Killie, their most successful time under Ally McLeod. They've only been Ayrshire's top team 20 times since the club was founded in 1910. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 18 hours ago, stocky said: oooft Dundee Utd put 16 past ya... 1-5 seems ok amongst that record..... they were good then tho.... Locke had some poor at home tho.... I used to be disappointed when I went to Tannadice in those days and they didn't score at least four. Didn't happen often right enough. As well as all the Killie pumpings they would regularly get a bucketload against Morton, Motherwell and Hearts. Happy days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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