fishcumnock Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Latest newsflash , mandelsson, kinnock , tonypandy , all previous euro leaders say we wont be allowed to join euro union for at least 20yrs as we are not welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 A lier, a warmonger and a failure? Best listen to what they've got to say, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Pish of course as we are already citizens of Europe (on your passport). No citizen if Europe gets expelled for having a democratic election. That idea is actually quite ridiculous & obscene. They are a bit late today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 And they are no longer influencing europe , hope they were hated there , helps us . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I actually thought Kninnock was dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 rUK not leaving Europe anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I actually thought Kninnock was dead. Tonypandy is dead isn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Maybe his boy or something 4 names mentioned missed last one . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Maybe his boy or something . He had a few of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Aye but they wurny related , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbotnic Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Pish of course as we are already citizens of Europe (on your passport). No citizen if Europe gets expelled for having a democratic election. That idea is actually quite ridiculous & obscene. They are a bit late today... You might not have been following the board when this was discussed at length, but in brief: you are only citizens of the EU because you are UK citizens. If Scotland does not join the EU immediately upon independence, you will no longer be EU citizens. Nobody is expelling you - you're leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 It is just funny now... Nigel Farage accuses Alex Salmond of inciting riotshttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11101331/Nigel-Farage-accuses-Alex-Salmond-of-inciting-riots.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I think the only ones inciting riots here is Nigel and the Telegraph. This sort of made-up provocative rubbish (designed to smear and inflame) is exactly what prompted the Police press release earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 See when rUK was rioting over some guy getting shot by a policeman? You know when London was getting looted, centuries old businesses getting burnt to the ground, shops getting looted etc? In London, Bristol, in fact large parts of England? You know what Scotland did? Laughed at your fcking morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hessen Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Tonypandy is dead isn't he? #Now if Looby Loo and Teddy had spoken against us I would have been worried, but not a pyjama wearing cross dresser with make up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 You might not have been following the board when this was discussed at length, but in brief: you are only citizens of the EU because you are UK citizens. If Scotland does not join the EU immediately upon independence, you will no longer be EU citizens. Nobody is expelling you - you're leaving. how does that work then. why would we not be EU citizens and the rUK ones have left and have to rejoin. why do we not retain the citizenship? the Uk has changed if we vote yes. not just scotland but the whole of the UK. It is not the UK anymore by definition since the UK includes Scotland. If we have to re-apply so would they - how can one bit retain EU citizenship and another not? I can see that getting very messy legally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 why do we not retain the citizenship? the Uk has changed if we vote yes. not just scotland but the whole of the UK. It is not the UK anymore by definition since the UK includes Scotland. If we have to re-apply so would they - how can one bit retain EU citizenship and another not? I can see that getting very messy legally The UK would remain the member state. It's not their fault we left (actually it probably would be but that's another argument)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Thing is voting Yes doesn't mean you instantly lose EU citizenship. EU citizenship will be retained as the "Inclusive and expansive" organisation that the EU is, would not kick out current citizens who fulfill every criteria of membership and are currently members. It just won't happen. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbotnic Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Thing is voting Yes doesn't mean you instantly lose EU citizenship. EU citizenship will be retained as the "Inclusive and expansive" organisation that the EU is, would not kick out current citizens who fulfill every criteria of membership and are currently members. It just won't happen. J Like I said, nobody's kicking anybody out. You're leaving, of your own accord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Saint Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Just my opinion, but I would expect Scotland to be back in the EU pretty much immediately (that's if it has to leave at all). Why on earth would the other EU members want to exclude it or prevent it from joining? Isn't the whole point of the EU about co-operation and working together? It doesn't make any sense to me to keep Scotland out. It might be a situation without precedent (I'm not sure), but I would expect them to find a way to get Scotland back in ASAP, even if they have to make some sort of special arrangements or amend the current joining procedure. Scotland is going to become independent, that's all - big deal! (ok, it is for you Scots, but you know what I mean within this context). It's not as though it's being taken over by a dangerous North Korean style regime that's going to pose an instant threat to the safety of Europe and the world and therefore needs to be excluded from the EU. As a rUK citizen I would expect and want Scotland to be in the EU (assuming you wanted to join), and I'd be raging if anyone tried to prevent that from happening. Spain can threaten whatever it likes, but the other countries would be down on it like a ton of bricks if they tried to play politics over admitting Scotland because of the situation in Catalonia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Just my opinion, but I would expect Scotland to be back in the EU pretty much immediately (that's if it has to leave at all). Why on earth would the other EU members want to exclude it or prevent it from joining? Isn't the whole point of the EU about co-operation and working together? It doesn't make any sense to me to keep Scotland out. It might be a situation without precedent (I'm not sure), but I would expect them to find a way to get Scotland back in ASAP, even if they have to make some sort of special arrangements or amend the current joining procedure. Scotland is going to become independent, that's all - big deal! (ok, it is for you Scots, but you know what I mean within this context). It's not as though it's being taken over by a dangerous North Korean style regime that's going to pose an instant threat to the safety of Europe and the world and therefore needs to be excluded from the EU. As a rUK citizen I would expect and want Scotland to be in the EU (assuming you wanted to join), and I'd be raging if anyone tried to prevent that from happening. Spain can threaten whatever it likes, but the other countries would be down on it like a ton of bricks if they tried to play politics over admitting Scotland because of the situation in Catalonia. Absolutely, bit of common sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mick Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Just my opinion, but I would expect Scotland to be back in the EU pretty much immediately (that's if it has to leave at all). Why on earth would the other EU members want to exclude it or prevent it from joining? Isn't the whole point of the EU about co-operation and working together? It doesn't make any sense to me to keep Scotland out. It might be a situation without precedent (I'm not sure), but I would expect them to find a way to get Scotland back in ASAP, even if they have to make some sort of special arrangements or amend the current joining procedure. Scotland is going to become independent, that's all - big deal! (ok, it is for you Scots, but you know what I mean within this context). It's not as though it's being taken over by a dangerous North Korean style regime that's going to pose an instant threat to the safety of Europe and the world and therefore needs to be excluded from the EU. As a rUK citizen I would expect and want Scotland to be in the EU (assuming you wanted to join), and I'd be raging if anyone tried to prevent that from happening. Spain can threaten whatever it likes, but the other countries would be down on it like a ton of bricks if they tried to play politics over admitting Scotland because of the situation in Catalonia. An opinion shared by many I would no doubt imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Heard Salmond discussing this with James Naughtie, his response was "1 20 25 60... 1% of the EU population 20% of its fish stock 25% of its renewable energy capacity 60% of its oil and gas" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 rUK not leaving Europe anyway? So why the f*ck would we want to be tied to their currency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goozay Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 You might not have been following the board when this was discussed at length, but in brief: you are only citizens of the EU because you are UK citizens. If Scotland does not join the EU immediately upon independence, you will no longer be EU citizens. Nobody is expelling you - you're leaving. Technically you're right, however the No camp bang this particular drum to suggest that Brussels will twiddle their proverbial thumbs as Scotland heads towards independence and excommunicate 5 million EU citizens come 2016. That smells like sh1te to me. There's no real precedent for this and I'd expect Brussels to cooperate fully with Edinburgh to ensure the 5 million Scots remain EU Citizens, provided Edinburgh play ball with what they ask of them. Meanwhile, another Cameron promise is to have an In-Out referendum on EU Membership for the UK in 2016 anywho. EU membership is just another red herring that the No camp have used as a scare story. I really hope Scotland holds its nerve tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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