Coldo Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 6 hours ago, joe545 said: Both Sweden and Norway had completely open tax returns but they have been gradually restricting it. Now you need to identify yourself to see a tax return and the person in question will receive a letter outlining who has seen their return. Would this not allow people to gauge people's salaries? Don't know if I'd be happy with people knowing how much I earn, though it would solve the greater issue if tax avoidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 47 minutes ago, Coldo said: Would this not allow people to gauge people's salaries? Don't know if I'd be happy with people knowing how much I earn, though it would solve the greater issue if tax avoidance. Why would you want to hide what you earn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Orraloon said: Why would you want to hide what you earn? because its a private contract between you and you're employer do you want folk bitching in your office just because you are better at negotiating pay rises than peer group people also react to peoples income/wealth and treat them differently even if you are employer you don't want people knowing what each other earn - companies write this in contract not to discuss salaries fair enough taxman knows, but dont see why folk just being nosey should have access Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibelieve!!! Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 4 hours ago, Orraloon said: Why would you want to hide what you earn? And why should your next door neighbour (or anyone else) know what you earn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, ibelieve!!! said: And why should your next door neighbour (or anyone else) know what you earn? I did find it strange while working over in Norway that they all snooped on what each other made,, couldn't imagine that over here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Eisegerwind Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 8 hours ago, Coldo said: Would this not allow people to gauge people's salaries? Don't know if I'd be happy with people knowing how much I earn, though it would solve the greater issue if tax avoidance. 6 hours ago, euan2020 said: because its a private contract between you and you're employer do you want folk bitching in your office just because you are better at negotiating pay rises than peer group people also react to peoples income/wealth and treat them differently even if you are employer you don't want people knowing what each other earn - companies write this in contract not to discuss salaries fair enough taxman knows, but dont see why folk just being nosey should have access Because they've bought into the capitalist illusion that they are special and better than there fellow employees and by negotiating a personal contract with their employers they can fck over their workmates.Meanwhile their employers are pissing themselves laughing at their naivety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 On 05/04/2016 at 0:41 PM, phart said: Domesticated is what i've been calling it for years. Stating the bleedin obvious is what I'd call it.Capitalist knuts being found out to be capitalist knuts, move along nothing to see here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/09/david-cameron-questions-gift-mother?CMP=twt_gu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Just for once, I'm starting to think that this story might not go away as soon as the Tories would like it to? http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/04/09/hey-bbc-did-you-know-thousands-of-people-are-demonstrating-against-tax-dodger-cameron-right-now-resigndavidcameron/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Just for once, I'm starting to think that this story might not go away as soon as the Tories would like it to? http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/04/09/hey-bbc-did-you-know-thousands-of-people-are-demonstrating-against-tax-dodger-cameron-right-now-resigndavidcameron/ ffs. What's the problem. They've shuffled some money about to minimise the tax payable. they've not done anything illegal. just the same as taking government advice to invest in ISA's or take part of you pension tax free. It's capitalism, the rules made by the rich for the rich to keep them rich. I'm sorry but how old are you peeps, is this really a surprise to you? Edited April 9, 2016 by Eisegerwind erronous i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 4 hours ago, Eisegerwind said: ffs. What's the problem. They've shuffled some money about to minimise the tax payable. they've not done anything illegal. just the same as taking government advice to invest in ISA's or take part of you pension tax free. It's capitalism, the rules made by the rich for the rich to keep them rich. I'm sorry but how old are you peeps, is this really a surprise to you? You should probably read up on Cameron's previous comments on such practices, his letter to EU colleagues on how such trusts should not be looked at closer and then perhaps the evasive and dishonest responses No 10 initially offered in response to this as it broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Eisegerwind said: ffs. What's the problem. They've shuffled some money about to minimise the tax payable. they've not done anything illegal. just the same as taking government advice to invest in ISA's or take part of you pension tax free. It's capitalism, the rules made by the rich for the rich to keep them rich. I'm sorry but how old are you peeps, is this really a surprise to you? Because the very same people, who are now in the frame, were campaigning against tax avoidance and hounding people like Jimmy Carr until they paid their tax. It is called hypocrisy. Edited April 10, 2016 by antidote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe545 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 15 hours ago, Coldo said: Would this not allow people to gauge people's salaries? Don't know if I'd be happy with people knowing how much I earn, though it would solve the greater issue if tax avoidance. Absolutely it would. Was an amazing tool for anyone in the early stages of their career to be able to gauge how much of a salary was reasonable to ask for. Especially seeing as job adverts don't mention salary ranges here. Company accounts (even private ones) are still open and anonymous here though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 12 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said: I 2 hours ago, joe545 said: Absolutely it would. Was an amazing tool for anyone in the early stages of their career to be able to gauge how much of a salary was reasonable to ask for. Especially seeing as job adverts don't mention salary ranges here. Company accounts (even private ones) are still open and anonymous here though. you alrready have that tool - i know the geographic salaries for the type of job i have with the different years of experience and the geogrpahic work areas's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 9 hours ago, Eisegerwind said: Because they've bought into the capitalist illusion that they are special and better than there fellow employees and by negotiating a personal contract with their employers they can fck over their workmates.Meanwhile their employers are pissing themselves laughing at their naivety. maybe they are - some employees are lazy kunts or only roll up on a tuesday because been out on piss on a Sunday night all fellow employees are not equal - nothing capitalist about it - some folk basically dont do the same job and dont have same experience or more importantly same application Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 10 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/09/david-cameron-questions-gift-mother?CMP=twt_gu His mum transferred £200k into his account to avoid paying £80k inheritance tax ? Funnily enough i dont remember him mentioning that little fact when he was slagging off Jeremy Corbyn's attire during the wistful memories of his mum always telling him to wear a smart suit and do up his tie. 80 grand in squirrelled tax could buy a few Saville Row suits. Clothes maketh the man indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 The excuse now being made regarding the IHT is that what he did is available to everyone. "It's not tax avoidance is tax arrangement" The thing is - these procedures are not available to everyone as the vast majority of us will ever have any need for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 10 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: The excuse now being made regarding the IHT is that what he did is available to everyone. "It's not tax avoidance is tax arrangement" The thing is - these procedures are not available to everyone as the vast majority of us will ever have any need for them I suppose you could also use that term to describe those who dont want to work. " its not work avoidance its work re-arrangement '' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 10 hours ago, Eisegerwind said: ffs. What's the problem. They've shuffled some money about to minimise the tax payable. they've not done anything illegal. just the same as taking government advice to invest in ISA's or take part of you pension tax free. It's capitalism, the rules made by the rich for the rich to keep them rich. I'm sorry but how old are you peeps, is this really a surprise to you? The fact that they are using loopholes, which they have created themselves, to avoid paying tax is not a surprise. I don't think anybody on here is saying that it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) I'm starting to think that some powerful Tories are trying to get rid of Cameron before he wants to go. I wonder where Boris and Gideon have got their millions stashed away? I bet there is a whole load of paperwork getting "sorted out" this weekend. Edited April 10, 2016 by Orraloon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 1 hour ago, TDYER63 said: I suppose you could also use that term to describe those who dont want to work. " its not work avoidance its work re-arrangement '' Didn't take long for a thread about millionaires avoiding tax to mention people avoiding work. Anyway this all seems to convient, there's likely some very powerful people behind this leak with an agenda to point the figure at people earning less than them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 9 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Didn't take long for a thread about millionaires avoiding tax to mention people avoiding work. Anyway this all seems to convient, there's likely some very powerful people behind this leak with an agenda to point the figure at people earning less than them I think you may have misinterpreted my post. I was actually ridiculing the statement they are making . The Tories are constantly greetin about the work shy and 'something for nothing ' brigade. I was highlighting that it was just as easy to twist their statement about tax to excuse the people THEY accuse. I may not have made that clear. My personal feeling towards the unemployed could not be further from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 4 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: The excuse now being made regarding the IHT is that what he did is available to everyone. "It's not tax avoidance is tax arrangement" The thing is - these procedures are not available to everyone as the vast majority of us will ever have any need for them I'm all for people using tax avoidance/arrangement schemes, I'm just opposed to people who we pay the wages of and who preach that we shouldn't tax evade etc. On inheritance tax, if you have earned it while you're living and it has been taxed at source, I don't see why tax should have to be paid again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 5 hours ago, Orraloon said: I'm starting to think that some powerful Tories are trying to get rid of Cameron before he wants to go. I wonder where Boris and Gideon have got their millions stashed away? I bet there is a whole load of paperwork getting "sorted out" this weekend. That is exactly what is happening.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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