Flora MaDonald Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I take it I can toss away my EU Health Insurance card now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 What are pro-indy brexiters thinking? what have you learned about how to win a referendum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86glebestreet Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 minute ago, exile said: What are pro-indy brexiters thinking? what have you learned about how to win a referendum? If it means going back into the eu I won't be voting yes like I did last time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I pretty much guarantee that an indyref2 would still produce a no vote. I still know just too many folk who suffer from the Scotscringe phenomenon and would rather be part of a brexit than "voting snp" which obviously they wouldn't be doing but still don't understand. As an example as recently as yesterday at my work in Edinburgh, my boss who is from Aberdeen who said he was voting remain came out with " I f####hate Scotland...that nanny state government at holyrood..." My coffee almost duly spat out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Cameron away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 35 minutes ago, Scunnered said: Let's not pretend a Remain vote was in any way progressive. The majority of Socialists UK wide (granted we're a minority) will have voted Leave. Where are your figures to back that claim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 minute ago, 86glebestreet said: If it means going back into the eu I won't be voting yes like I did last time So you'd rather have an eternal ultra right-wing government in Westminster ? You'd rather have these fanatics ripping up human rights legislation, attacking worker's rights, removing the minimum wage ? You'd rather have all that, than an (admittedly imperfect ) EU that acted as a handbrake on the likes of the Tories ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, exile said: What are pro-indy brexiters thinking? what have you learned about how to win a referendum? If a future independence referendum is held on the grounds of reentry to the EU I can't support that. If an independence referendum is held solely on secession from the UK with a possible future referendum on the EU I'd have to consider it with the possibility of making the positive case for remaining outside the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 29 minutes ago, BlueGaz said: I don't have a union. You certainly won't have soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Cameron said something about scot govt and eu... And he has spoken to the queen. Did she purr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 11 minutes ago, Flora MaDonald said: I take it I can toss away my EU Health Insurance card now? We just got ours renewed - that was a waste of effort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: You certainly won't have soon. I never have, do you require me to explain it in more depth or can you accept the simple explanation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalgety Bay TA Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Cameron gone. Away by Oct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, Lamia said: We just got ours renewed - that was a waste of effort No it wasn't. You can use it till it is replaced with something that will be similar if not the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Just now, BlueGaz said: How? I could be, but not deliberately. Quoting Rossy: ' A government which has no mandate in Scotland and an ideology that has pulled Scotland out of the EU against its wishes' I think if you could articulate your way through why this is (blindly) not the case, you have a far more credible starting point. You are correct of course, in that 'we' chose to stay by 55/45 via indyref. 62% (against 55% 'NO') of 'Scots' wish to remain within the EU based on yesterdays result. I'm of an opinion that this is a significant shift. Remaining part of the EU was a huge part of 'BT's' (Positivity for voting NO?) campaign - I guess it would be reasonable to assume that a high % of the 55 will feel a bit betrayed, even lied to, this morning? Essentially it's being positioned, and I agree, that the UK is now perceived to be a self centred, intolerant place to live. I personally do not feel that Scotland is, so it comes back to 'what do we do about it?' The least I can do is acknowledge and respect your view, even though I do not think it is as simple as you would have me believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 aye the scares about Cameron resigning were shite eh? Through the looking glass now, now try and say a Boris PM isn't a possibility? no need for Sturgeon to commit to indyref2 until we see the Tories next move. I reckon we will see one though before Rest of uk leaves EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Is there merit in large scale gathering at Holyrood this evening ? A message needs to be sent to the watching world this was not Scotlands choice. Like many : Angry, confused and disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 12 minutes ago, Lamia said: Where are your figures to back that claim? The vote was a few hours ago, you'll see in the coming weeks. A socialist voting against the EU is as a No Brainer as a Nationalist voting for independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I'm wondering what all the racists and bigots in the sink estates of England think is going to happen now, and how they think their lives are going to improved by this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, Redz said: The least I can do is acknowledge and respect your view, even though I do not think it is as simple as you would have me believe. I won't apologise for having a simple view, but I also don't believe we should just go round and round with votes. We voted this so we can vote in that, but they voted this so now we will vote that. The damage being done by all this, IMO, is worse than the negative "possibilities" the outcome of the votes "may" produce. You also mentioned people will feel betrayed - I would agree with that across all parties, a lot of the time. Politicians on all fronts do this from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Even Peston's saying in accordance with Tory party constitution, Boris just needs someone to stand against him. He's basically home and dry, as next PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 12 minutes ago, BlueGaz said: No it wasn't. You can use it till it is replaced You really think I am that thick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Just now, Lamia said: You really think I am that thick? No comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 minute ago, BlueGaz said: I won't apologise for having a simple view, but I also don't believe we should just go round and round with votes. We voted this so we can vote in that, but they voted this so now we will vote that. The damage being done by all this, IMO, is worse than the negative "possibilities" the outcome of the votes "may" produce. You also mentioned people will feel betrayed - I would agree with that across all parties, a lot of the time. Politicians on all fronts do this from time to time. Yeap, and the electorate has a chance every few years to get rid of those politicians through an election. I'm not saying that we should constantly hold referenda (although Switzerland does), but when something like this happens that will have such a massive political, economic and social effect on Scotland....apparently against our wishes......I think that asking the question of independence again is entirely justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 When people talk of the economic risks of Scottish independence, will there ever be a better time to encourage rapid investment than by declaring a clear intention for Scotland to remain in the EU as an independent country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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