EU Referendum

[DoonTheSlope]

31 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

There is also a fair bit of talk about a 2nd EU referendum because we got it wrong first time round. I wouldn't rule it out just yet.. Totally undemocratic IMO but when has that ever bothered them before.

Any chance we could get this years league cup final replayed? It wasn't the result I was wanting. Once that's settled can we get a re-vote on the Gareth Gates v Will Young X-Factor final, and while we're at it I've won fukk all on the lottery for the past 8 and a bit years so can we just keep re-drawing the lottery till I win something??

 

[hampden_loon2878]

27 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

What's your beef with him Rossy?

i know he's from Peterhead but even some folk from Peterhead are ok

Was thinking the same 

[hampden_loon2878]

57 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said:

SNP won Banff & Buchan last year with ease and corresponding Holyrood seats too.

How many kids on the East Coast seriously dream of being fishermen ? Very few I imagine. How many cling to their parents and grandparents views too ? Again I am doubtful.

Those areas also along with the rest of Scotland voted to stay in the EU. 

They will find out very soon that Johnson, Gove, Farage and Co don't give a toss about them.

 

Yes the snp had a huge majority in the GE,, i really hope i am wrong but i swear the reaction from people regarding 2nd ref to rejoin the EU has been insane,, theres a pert of me hoping the fishing get hammered again in return for some free trade deal 

[ErsatzThistle]

40 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Yes the snp had a huge majority in the GE,, i really hope i am wrong but i swear the reaction from people regarding 2nd ref to rejoin the EU has been insane,, theres a pert of me hoping the fishing get hammered again in return for some free trade deal 

With respect, there is a big difference between how a small group of friends and acquaintances react and the how the wider area reacts.

For example, your friends and family may well be anti-Europe and anti-SNP. Yet the results of the General Election, the Holyrood Election and indeed the European Referendum prove beyond doubt that the area itself is pro-SNP and indeed just the other day the people of the North East of Scotland endorsed staying in Europe.

The younger generation are much more positive about Europe and old industries such as fishing frankly do not hold much interest to them nor do they share the understandable but nonetheless misguided romanticism of their elders.

Edited June 26, 2016 by ErsatzThistle

[Toepoke]

The aftershocks continue, Jezza punts Hilary...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36632539

 

[brant grebner]

15 hours ago, Scunnered said:

I disagree, it was an awful platform for anyone left leaning.  The Yes Campaign argued for EU membership, and corporation tax cuts.  The RIC campaigned for independence but rejected the Neoliberal nature of Yes Scotland.

pink-haired 40 year old socialist transsexuals that still drink in their student union do not a new nation make

Edited June 26, 2016 by brant grebner

[brant grebner]

59 per cent Yes on the latest poll.

Old Yes is gone.

Yes is now pro-EU original Yes, pragmatist Yes and the new influx of pro-EU no voters who are seeing the light.

It's a road.

Ireland went UK - Irish Free State - ROI with Ulster lost -...

with plenty bullets and bombs

The long game is Indy Scotland - EU in/out? who cares

Cross the bridge when it comes - leaver old Yessers, pull yer finger out and quit being ideological fandans

[Return of Yermaw]

2 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said:

With respect, there is a big difference between how a small group of friends and acquaintances react and the how the wider area reacts.

For example, your friends and family may well be anti-Europe and anti-SNP. Yet the results of the General Election, the Holyrood Election and indeed the European Referendum prove beyond doubt that the area itself is pro-SNP and indeed just the other day the people of the North East of Scotland endorsed staying in Europe.

The younger generation are much more positive about Europe and old industries such as fishing frankly do not hold much interest to them nor do they share the understandable but nonetheless misguided romanticism of their elders.

if Hampden Loon is to be believed he has countless friends and well connected contacts in prominent places and these "little birds" serve him with views that allows him to form representative opinions on how regions and the wider country is feeling. And every time the feeling is amazingly anti-SNP. By now, most people can see through his utter guff.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Return of Yermaw

[Rossy]

3 hours ago, Return of Yermaw said:

if Hampden Loon is to be believed he has countless friends and well connected contacts in prominent places and these "little birds" serve him with views that allows him to form representative opinions on how regions and the wider country is feeling. And every time the feeling is amazingly anti-SNP. By now, most people can see through his utter guff.

His very first post on here was .... 'I have friends who supported the SNP but now they don't because of (fill in blank)'.....and he's continued it consistently for 2 years. 

If he's to be believed there must be more boats bobbing around off the Moray coast waving the UJ than there were at Jutland, all of them filled with bitter ex-SNPers with a personal grievance against Nicola Sturgeon.

He's a troll, nothing more nothing less. I can't believe that some people actually take him seriously.

 

 

[EddardStark]

5 hours ago, Toepoke said:

The aftershocks continue, Jezza punts Hilary...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36632539

 

He had to be sacked . Civil War is about to break out. One one side the membership of the party, on the other the PLP.

[braveheart_lynch]

I'm an SNP voter but I am becoming more disillusioned by them all the time. I am also pro Yes.

[EddardStark]

7 hours ago, Orraloon said:

The British public are well trained. they don't do massive public unrest. I agree that it is unlikely but not impossible. I don't think it would be Dodgy Dave and his pals calling for another referendum. A lot of folk on the Leave side never expected to win and are now shitting themselves about what to do next. There is a slight chance that once they realise how complicated it is going to be that they might start to have second thoughts.

 

We will probably get an associate membership deal at the last moment with an opt out on open borders. This wont be popular with the rest of Europe but I see Germany pushing this. In the end this whole vote will be seen as a mechanism to change the Tory Party leadership.

[RenfrewBlue]

9 hours ago, Lamia said:

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2016/06/25/an-argument-as-rank-and-rotten-as-a-two-year-old-fish/

This completely ignores the fact you need to be a sovereign nation to be an EU member. 

[hampden_loon2878]

3 hours ago, Return of Yermaw said:

if Hampden Loon is to be believed he has countless friends and well connected contacts in prominent places and these "little birds" serve him with views that allows him to form representative opinions on how regions and the wider country is feeling. And every time the feeling is amazingly anti-SNP. By now, most people can see through his utter guff.

If there were a vote to tomorrow the conservitives would take banff and buchan i have no doubt about it,, if the snp does not lose the seat it is going to be a huge swing, i am encouraged that ni one else is aeeing this trend but mrs whiteford has a huge fight on her hands, i have already sent an email to her, she is a brilliant MP and would be gutted if she were to lose her seat

Edited June 26, 2016 by hampden_loon2878

[hampden_loon2878]

16 minutes ago, Rossy said:

His very first post on here was .... 'I have friends who supported the SNP but now they don't because of (fill in blank)'.....and he's continued it consistently for 2 years. 

If he's to be believed there must be more boats bobbing around off the Moray coast waving the UJ than there were at Jutland, all of them filled with bitter ex-SNPers with a personal grievance against Nicola Sturgeon.

He's a troll, nothing more nothing less. I can't believe that some people actually take him seriously.

 

 

You really are a knob 

[Lamia]

9 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

100% serious,, banff and buchan is one of a few place that saved the snp fading away to nothing its always been snp,, i am nit sure how much longer though, the reaction to sturgeon has taken me by surprise,, i can count 6 very vocal previous yes supporters who now hate the snp i probably know around 10 other who would not support yes again,,, i know 1 who voted no you now supports yes 

Well they are as stupid as the people who voted No because they didn't like Salmond. 

[Lamia]

9 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

I think you can make a good assumption that there are more people who will now vote Yes that previously voted No than there are who will vote No that previously voted Yes.

Have seen some surprising evidence of that personally and heard from friends that have similar stories

I think people have to be very careful about anecdotal evidence. I think it is important to remember the bubble many on the Yes side last time didn't realise they were in.

 

[Guest BlueGaz]

1 minute ago, Lamia said:

Well they are as stupid as the people who voted No because they didn't like Salmond. 

I think the problem with Salmond was that, a lot of people weren't as educated as for example the likes of you, when it came to making a decision on what to vote, so all they really had at the time was to listen to the leader of the SNP who was at the forefront of the debate/argument.  Its only my opinion obviously, but he rarely, if ever came across well or believable, so those that had to rely on him to make a decision, were always going to be pushed away.  Sturgeon changed that initially, but I think recently she has descended to being just like him.
 

[vanderark14]

9 minutes ago, Lamia said:

Well they are as stupid as the people who voted No because they didn't like Salmond. 

Who the hell are you to label these people?

hl is right, there are people up there in Banff and Buchan are swinging towards Tory. This is down to a few things IMO. the oil crisis is one problem, people are becoming disillusioned with everything and looking for someone to blame. Fishing fo leave has done well in their campaign, the Thames stunt got a lot of coverage especially with the likes of Geldof and Farage turning up. They are also up for the fight against independence despite manŷ being YES voters last time.

It may not be the big swing hampden loon thinks it will be but there was a swing and a noticeable one at that. The stay leave vote was close too. The SNP have time to sort this but they better get their act together because that seat is no longer the gimme it used to be.

Stupid or not, we need these votes to stay SNP and we need to convince them that independence is the way forward.

[hampden_loon2878]

16 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

Who the hell are you to label these people?

hl is right, there are people up there in Banff and Buchan are swinging towards Tory. This is down to a few things IMO. the oil crisis is one problem, people are becoming disillusioned with everything and looking for someone to blame. Fishing fo leave has done well in their campaign, the Thames stunt got a lot of coverage especially with the likes of Geldof and Farage turning up. They are also up for the fight against independence despite manŷ being YES voters last time.

It may not be the big swing hampden loon thinks it will be but there was a swing and a noticeable one at that. The stay leave vote was close too. The SNP have time to sort this but they better get their act together because that seat is no longer the gimme it used to be.

Stupid or not, we need these votes to stay SNP and we need to convince them that independence is the way forward.

Banff and bichan was 70%+ for indy,, it has been the back bone for the snp when times have been hard,, i really hope that effort and time is put into the corner and not forgotten about now the central belt has been won....many on here may laugh but if it werent for alec using the support of fishermen and their hardship as a weapon he would have NEVER got into parliment and the snp would not be where they are today..then you have the "knew snp" hippy breed(some on here) who have jumped on the band wagon last week and think the own the show...everything the tories have will be flung at this corner as it will be more than just one seat,, it will be a starement 

[vanderark14]

12 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Banff and bichan was 70%+ for indy,, it has been the back bone for the snp when times have been hard,, i really hope that effort and time is put into the corner and not forgotten about now the central belt has been won....many on here may laugh but if it werent for alec using the support of fishermen and their hardship as a weapon he would have NEVER got into parliment and the snp would not be where they are today..then you have the "knew snp" hippy breed(some on here) who have jumped on the band wagon last week and think the own the show...everything the tories have will be flung at this corner as it will be more than just one seat,, it will be a starement 

I'd love to know what's caused the change of heart in the fishing community, I know Jimmy Buchan has been very vocal, the SNP need to make sure the fishermen know they will fight their corner and make the fishing industry a big part of an independent Scotland. 

I think the Tories will do this for us though by ignoring the fishing industry again in favour of something that benefits the south. History shows they will do this.

[AlfieMoon]

I think that fishing equated to about 1% of UK GDP? 

What would it be for Scotland? 

 

 

[hampden_loon2878]

12 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

I'd love to know what's caused the change of heart in the fishing community, I know Jimmy Buchan has been very vocal, the SNP need to make sure the fishermen know they will fight their corner and make the fishing industry a big part of an independent Scotland. 

I think the Tories will do this for us though by ignoring the fishing industry again in favour of something that benefits the south. History shows they will do this.

Seriously hope you are right,,,sadly the industry will only need a slight improvement for them to"justify" a leave..maybe everthing will settle down and its a social bubble but things look grim at the moment

[vanderark14]

9 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Seriously hope you are right,,,sadly the industry will only need a slight improvement for them to"justify" a leave..maybe everthing will settle down and its a social bubble but things look grim at the moment

An improvement on the industry would be more boats and more people working in the industry not a bigger quota for those involved in fishing for leave. The most vocal among them are minted witth 4/5 bed houses and two or three cars. Usually the latest X5 and a ranger rover in the drive. Yearly Skiing holidays and yearly holidays to Disney with their kids.

their agenda is greed, their stunt on the Thames made me sick.

 

[Rossy]

2 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

You really are a knob 

Congratulations on making a post that isn't anti-SNP.

That's a step in the right direction