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59 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2016/05/06/election-night/

The lesson for the Yes campaign is that there are people in Scotland, former Labour voters, who are so committed to the Union that they’ve switched to the Tories. Those are the voters that we will never win over. Seems that the Red Tory jibe was pretty accurate after all. Next time someone from Labour calls the SNP the Tartan Tories all we need to do is to remind them where their votes went. Their hatred of the SNP has killed them. We’re facing an SNP government with the Tories as the official opposition

The big losers are Labour. What’s left of Labour needs to reflect on its ruination. For the first time in over 100 years it looks like they’ve been pushed into third place. If they really believe in the progressive politics they claim to stand for, they need to face up to the reality that Scottish politics is now a contest between a social democratic independence or a reactionary conservative unionism. There can only be one winner in the longer term. Either we lose our NHS, our public services, our free education, and become a glorified nuclear arms dump full of part time workers on zero hours contracts struggling with low wages and ever decreasing rights, or the Union is over. That’s the choice facing Scotland, that’s the choice facing Labour. It’s that stark.

Good summery 

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14 minutes ago, Auld_Reekie said:

I wouldn't have said so, no, unless you have evidence to support it. Greens had every right to stand in constituency. If SNP wanted a free run at constituencies, they should have offered some kind of alliance. Instead, they wanted to roll the dice (and clearly expected every one else to bow before them).

I agree with you, Greens had every right to stand in any constituency they want to.  By the same token, the SNP had every right to campaign for as many list votes as they could get. It cuts both ways. 

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Final Result; Constituency; SNP + Green = 48%, Tory + LD + Lab = 52%

List; SNP/Green/RISE/Sol = 50.1%, Tory/LD/Lab/UKIP = 49.9%

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In a way this result must make a future independent Scotland seem less scary to some: not a one party state, but an inclusive place where, yes, even posh talking lords and morningsiders and awkward, independent-minded islanders are represented, and where yes the Tories have a chance of dreaming of winning an election. Some people seemed genuinely spooked by the idea of politics being dominated by 'nationalism' and a country dominated by one party (in this case the SNP but before that, some people didn't fancy living in a forever Labour Scottish state). In a backhanded way this result could even help pave the way for independence

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1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said:

If they really believe in the progressive politics they claim to stand for, they need to face up to the reality that Scottish politics is now a contest between a social democratic independence or a reactionary conservative unionism. There can only be one winner in the longer term. Either we lose our NHS, our public services, our free education, and become a glorified nuclear arms dump full of part time workers on zero hours contracts struggling with low wages and ever decreasing rights, or the Union is over. That’s the choice facing Scotland, that’s the choice facing Labour. It’s that stark.

I disagree.  Eventually people will start to ask what the SNP really stand for, and when the time comes Labour need to be prepared with a radical left programme that defines the differences between Socialism and Nationalism.

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18 minutes ago, aaid said:

I agree with you, Greens had every right to stand in any constituency they want to.  By the same token, the SNP had every right to campaign for as many list votes as they could get. It cuts both ways. 

Exactly. People need to either criticise both or neither. Otherwise it's disingenuous at best.

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5 minutes ago, Scunnered said:

I disagree.  Eventually people will start to ask what the SNP really stand for, and when the time comes Labour need to be prepared with a radical left programme that defines the differences between Socialism and Nationalism.

You're so right. I would call the current SNP Tartan Tories, especially after getting into bed with that Chinese deal. There are some Unionists so blinkered that they hate the SNP because they see them as a Scottish Sinn Fein! The real lesson for the SNP is that if they embrace a real Socialist philosophy they could sweep to independence far more easily than if they simply peddle a narrow nationalist agenda. As it stands, some are against them because they see them as Tories, while others are opposed because think they equate republicanism with socialism.

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15 minutes ago, exile said:

In a way this result must make a future independent Scotland seem less scary to some: not a one party state, but an inclusive place where, yes, even posh talking lords and morningsiders and awkward, independent-minded islanders are represented, and where yes the Tories have a chance of dreaming of winning an election. Some people seemed genuinely spooked by the idea of politics being dominated by 'nationalism' and a country dominated by one party (in this case the SNP but before that, some people didn't fancy living in a forever Labour Scottish state). In a backhanded way this result could even help pave the way for independence

Yep, it also places a check on the 'material change' criterion. It's not just an SNP decision what constitutes material change, another party has to agree. 

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The worst thing for me is that having moved flats 2 days ago I am now represented by Ruth Davidson :(

 

On a more positive note I think that the SNP being slightly short of a majority will be a good thing. And as mentioned, I am delighted that Jeane Freeman is in there as well. She is superb and I really hope she has some influence amongst her SNP peers

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2 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2016/05/06/election-night/

The lesson for the Yes campaign is that there are people in Scotland, former Labour voters, who are so committed to the Union that they’ve switched to the Tories. Those are the voters that we will never win over. Seems that the Red Tory jibe was pretty accurate after all. Next time someone from Labour calls the SNP the Tartan Tories all we need to do is to remind them where their votes went. Their hatred of the SNP has killed them. We’re facing an SNP government with the Tories as the official opposition

The big losers are Labour. What’s left of Labour needs to reflect on its ruination. For the first time in over 100 years it looks like they’ve been pushed into third place. If they really believe in the progressive politics they claim to stand for, they need to face up to the reality that Scottish politics is now a contest between a social democratic independence or a reactionary conservative unionism. There can only be one winner in the longer term. Either we lose our NHS, our public services, our free education, and become a glorified nuclear arms dump full of part time workers on zero hours contracts struggling with low wages and ever decreasing rights, or the Union is over. That’s the choice facing Scotland, that’s the choice facing Labour. It’s that stark.

great article and sums my feelings up perfectly. Labour's only hope is to change their stance on the constitution.

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In my constituency (Aberdeen Central) the Labour candidate, Lewis MacDonald's vote went down 10.2 % while the Tories went up 10.2%.

Labour losing votes to the Tories in Scotland... Keir Hardie'll be spinning in his grave.

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2 hours ago, Scunnered said:

That guys a fückwit.  Is his identity known?  Come the revolution I'd like to have him strapped to Sheridan and shot.

Homophobe 

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1 hour ago, adamntg said:

As Paddy Harvie says - 110,000 SNP list votes down the toilet.

Aye, anybody who'd taken even a cursory check at the polls could have seen it was insane to vote SNP on the Glasgow list...

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Cant believe Tories have won as many seats as they have, honestly shocked how any Scottish person can vote tory.  You look at where they have won there seats the borders, Aberdeen and one seat in Edinburgh and you know why this where folk are that have money, farmers, land owners and rich know the Tories will protect the rich and screw over the working class.

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1 minute ago, Geed said:

Cant believe Tories have won as many seats as they have, honestly shocked how any Scottish person can vote tory.  You look at where they have won there seats the borders, Aberdeen and one seat in Edinburgh and you know why this where folk are that have money, farmers, land owners and rich know the Tories will protect the rich and screw over the working class.

Precisely.We should move the border up a bit.:mad:

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