brant grebner Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 6 hours ago, albathebrave said: To be fair thats the smallest fist i have ever seen. Never seen "Thai Flid Chuff Fillers" then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted August 5, 2016 Author Share Posted August 5, 2016 ah so the report comes out just in time for the new season. I see Rangers are bleating about "'inaccuracies and contradictions' in the report. Some ridiculous ommissions including the criminally negligent marking for our winning goal on Gray by Andy Halliday. http://stv.tv/news/west-central/1362989-pitch-invasion-probe-finds-minority-behind-violent-scenes/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/Documents/ScottishCupFinal2016Report/Scottish Cup Final 2016 Commission of Enquiry - Report of SP Bowen.pdf Makes for fun reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 I don't see any mention about the hun players being attacked. I wonder why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only One Stop Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 2 hours ago, macy37 said: I don't see any mention about the hun players being attacked. I wonder why not? Either they still in trauma and unable to give evidence on the savage assault they suffered. Or as we all know it never happened, apart from Fotheringham getting a slight nudge to the shoulder. Hope they have recovered from the sectarian abuse the report claims the nasty Hibs fans dished out. Surely that is the very definition of irony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 On 02/06/2016 at 2:10 PM, phart said: Just follow the court cases that's the empirical evidence, not the hearsay afterwards, On 02/06/2016 at 2:39 PM, ShedTA said: yeh. so any new court cases? We do now. Or a report or whatever the courts weren't really needed. http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/Documents/ScottishCupFinal2016Report/Scottish Cup Final 2016 Commission of Enquiry - Report of SP Bowen.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) Reading the report i love how whoever wrote it described the Hobs supporters at the front the "Vanguard" as if they were an assigned military unit as opposed to the folk that got onto the pitch first and were faster. Even though later on they acknowledge "There is no evidence to suggest that the pitch invasion was planned, or that the body of regular Hibs supporters was infiltrated by individuals or groups of individuals holding some form of malicious intent." Also took Rangers fans 17 seconds to "run" from trackside to the pitch. Edited August 6, 2016 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 There were incidents involving direct physical confrontation with Rangers players which included the hurling of obscene language and sectarian abuse. I know the dude is a QC but unless it has some esoteric meaning in law, shouting abuse at someone isn't a physical confrontation, regardless of the content being shouted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Do any of the Rangers fans know what the clubs problem is with the report and what inaccuracies are in it? From a Motherwell point of view I have loads of issues with it. How they can whitewash policing, stewarding and SFA organisation and planning is a bit contradictory, given all the criticisms of the same for the pitch invasion at the play off game at Fir Park. Motherwell had the largest police and security presence they had everhad at fir park, including "helicopter Sunday". I think if they'd been honest enough to admit the game looked like going to ET and they got caught with their pants down by the late goal it would be less of a sham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAS Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 The report mentions the police were preoccupied with The Rangers' fans sectarian singing. Where's the action from the SFA/SFPL? I was under the impression it was banned, or have their new 'laws' allowed the club to deal with it on their own? Turkeys voting for Christmas.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 On 06/08/2016 at 6:24 PM, phart said: There were incidents involving direct physical confrontation with Rangers players which included the hurling of obscene language and sectarian abuse. I know the dude is a QC but unless it has some esoteric meaning in law, shouting abuse at someone isn't a physical confrontation, regardless of the content being shouted. Depends how it's done I suppose. If shouted from your seat in the stand then it's nothing. If the guy doing it is right in your face and you can feel his spit landing on you then I'd say it could be described as physical confrontation. Folk have been charged for less before now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 5 minutes ago, RenfrewBlue said: Depends how it's done I suppose. If shouted from your seat in the stand then it's nothing. If the guy doing it is right in your face and you can feel his spit landing on you then I'd say it could be described as physical confrontation. Folk have been charged for less before now. Would agree with that. Squaring upto someone or aiming a push, punch or kick at them would count surely. Do you know what Rangers issue is? I'm not fishing, but without reading the full thing, there's nothing I can see obvious for RFC to be upset about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, sbcmfc said: Do you know what Rangers issue is? How long have you got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 1 minute ago, Parklife said: How long have you got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted August 10, 2016 Author Share Posted August 10, 2016 18 minutes ago, sbcmfc said: Do you know what Rangers issue is? It doesnt vindicate their fans for being on the pitch to protect all outfield players and officials who were savagely beaten by the hordes of Hibees out for provocation and intimidation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 1 hour ago, sbcmfc said: Would agree with that. Squaring upto someone or aiming a push, punch or kick at them would count surely. Do you know what Rangers issue is? I'm not fishing, but without reading the full thing, there's nothing I can see obvious for RFC to be upset about. Nope. I didn't read Rangers statement on it. Possibly because it comes over as a bit of sweeping under the carpet on the many security failures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Funny how there's always one constant in the clubs mentioned in the documented games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 20 minutes ago, RenfrewBlue said: Nope. I didn't read Rangers statement on it. Possibly because it comes over as a bit of sweeping under the carpet on the many security failures? I agree on that. As I said earlier, they highlighted loads of things Motherwell could/should have done better, yet have taken no responsibility when it happened on their own patch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 3 hours ago, giblet said: It doesnt vindicate their fans for being on the pitch to protect all outfield players and officials who were savagely beaten by the hordes of Hibees out for provocation and intimidation. Correct which is why their focus will turn to the stewards and police Its never their fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 4 hours ago, RenfrewBlue said: Depends how it's done I suppose. If shouted from your seat in the stand then it's nothing. If the guy doing it is right in your face and you can feel his spit landing on you then I'd say it could be described as physical confrontation. Folk have been charged for less before now. Oh if you run onto the field of play and start shouting and screaming abuse at a player, that should get you lifted 100% it doesn't even have to be sectarian abuse. I'm just being picky with the physical confrontation part, not trying to downplay it, these folk are idiots and the police should lift them. screaming in someones face in this context should involve the police. Totally no need for it and puts a shitty stain over the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Every penny spent on this stupid exercise should have been given to the police to help them find every person that caused trouble that day and lift them and get them into court. The best way to stop it happening again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 10 hours ago, BlueGaz said: Every penny spent on this stupid exercise should have been given to the police to help them find every person that caused trouble that day and lift them and get them into court. The best way to stop it happening again. didn't a few supporters end up getting lifted? I remember their faces being plastered all over the papers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu101 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 2 hours ago, vanderark14 said: didn't a few supporters end up getting lifted? I remember their faces being plastered all over the papers. Over 40 so far, seemingly (although this doesn't include anything outside the stadium - for example those lifted in connection with the boy being left unconscious at Haymarket Station) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu101 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 12 hours ago, BlueGaz said: Every penny spent on this stupid exercise should have been given to the police to help them find every person that caused trouble that day and lift them and get them into court. The best way to stop it happening again. I am right in thinking that Rangers have banned everyone lifted that day already, and I think Hibs have done the same (or at least were going to interview those involved where there was a bit of ambiguity). Know for example that if you got lifted at Hampden, then purchased a season ticket for Ibrox, you've been told you arnt getting your money back. Personally the way to deal with it would for clubs to start taking direction action against their own fans for causing trouble. So for example if Hibs were fined say £10,000 for the pitch invasion (completely guessed at and made up figure), the club would take action to recoup this from their own fans. Know Celtic thought about doing something similar a few years back against a group of their away fans in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Stu101 said: I am right in thinking that Rangers have banned everyone lifted that day already, and I think Hibs have done the same (or at least were going to interview those involved where there was a bit of ambiguity). Know for example that if you got lifted at Hampden, then purchased a season ticket for Ibrox, you've been told you arnt getting your money back. Personally the way to deal with it would for clubs to start taking direction action against their own fans for causing trouble. So for example if Hibs were fined say £10,000 for the pitch invasion (completely guessed at and made up figure), the club would take action to recoup this from their own fans. Know Celtic thought about doing something similar a few years back against a group of their away fans in Europe. A few days after the final there was a post on fibs.net about someone starting a fund me page for people to donate towards the inevitable fine coming our way who ran on the pitch. I'd certainly donate towards it edited to add that I wasn't on the pitch Edited August 11, 2016 by DoonTheSlope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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