Bannannan Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 As i said,like watching us,murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 9 hours ago, thewolf_1980 said: What is especially frustrating is that we have better individuals than Norn Iron however they have a team to be proud of and a manager who plays to their strengths whilst taking calculated risks. And they've qualified as a result. On another note, there was a wee section at half time where they interviewed David Healy on the trackside in Windsor Park and it struck me that they are gradually rebuilding an apparently intimidating little ground there, unlike our public park shitehole. That said, I thought they were murder today. They lost to Poland, which we didn't.  If they'd have had Poland in their group (or the Republic, or Germany) they wouldn't have qualified  They got a lucky group - we'll get one one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Russia are probably the worst team I've seen in the tournament so far. In the first half in particular they were utterly shite, first time in ages I've seen a team give the ball away more easily than we do. Northern Ireland a close second, they'll get found out at this tournament away from an easy group and without any Windsor Park effect. Poland should have had humped them. Bad as we are, I reckon we are better than both those sides and at least comparable with Slovakia. There are other teams still to play we could compete with too. I found it interesting listening to Bilic talk about Croatia, and how all of their promising young players are playing league football in Croatia from their mid-late teens, so by the time they get to 20-21 they have a lot of experience of competitive football at a decent level. We are always looking to other countries for a 'model' to improve (remember Tommy Burns going to Ajax about 20 years ago?) but think we could do worse than look at Croatia, a smaller country than us with a far from strong domestic league. It also made me wonder as ever about who benefits from bringing in 'big names' from elsewhere into our league. For a while many of us were happy that clubs were playing (largely due to financial necessity) young Scottish players. But how many of them have actually developed and moved on? There seems now to be a drift away from that (you can bet most OF spending will be outwith Scotland - and I know they can't win, will be criticised if they 'pinch' young Scottish players), and I fear too many other signings will be from the English lower leagues or Ireland, alongside a few overprice haddies from abroad looking for some easy money. It's a shite state of affairs.   Edited June 13, 2016 by Pool Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeLuvIrnBru Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 31 minutes ago, Pool Q said: Russia are probably the worst team I've seen in the tournament so far. In the first half in particular they were utterly shite, first time in ages I've seen a team give the ball away more easily than we do. Northern Ireland a close second, they'll get found out at this tournament away from an easy group and without any Windsor Park effect. Poland should have had humped them. Bad as we are, I reckon we are better than both those sides and at least comparable with Slovakia. There are other teams still to play we could compete with too. I found it interesting listening to Bilic talk about Croatia, and how all of their promising young players are playing league football in Croatia from their mid-late teens, so by the time they get to 20-21 they have a lot of experience of competitive football at a decent level. We are always looking to other countries for a 'model' to improve (remember Tommy Burns going to Ajax about 20 years ago?) but think we could do worse than look at Croatia, a smaller country than us with a far from strong domestic league. It also made me wonder as ever about who benefits from bringing in 'big names' from elsewhere into our league. For a while many of us were happy that clubs were playing (largely due to financial necessity) young Scottish players. But how many of them have actually developed and moved on? There seems now to be a drift away from that (you can bet most OF spending will be outwith Scotland - and I know they can't win, will be criticised if they 'pinch' young Scottish players), and I fear too many other signings will be from the English lower leagues or Ireland, alongside a few overprice haddies from abroad looking for some easy money. It's a shite state of affairs.   Whilst Russia and Northern Ireland are poor in possession what they have is a better defence than us. We lose too many soft goals...they have a better platform to stop goals,  which is why we need to reconsider our team selection and formation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) I can't believe that anyone thought Russia were worse than Northern Ireland. Â Â Edited June 13, 2016 by Rossy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 I can't believe anyone didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Northern Ireland didn't have a touch in Poland's half of the pitch in the first half yesterday. They were shockingly bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 They were that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeLuvIrnBru Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Northern Ireland have been the worst team in the tournament by a distance so far. What we could almost guarantee though is if we were as defensive as Northern Ireland against Poland then we would have conceded more goals...barring a wonder display from any of our keepers. We are not good enough at the back...and until we find a solution for this we will not qualify for any major tournaments... Northern Ireland handled Lewandowski brilliantly. I cannot believe that Strachan did not at least try a different formation or 2 in the 4 friendlies....4 2 3 1 does not work with our defence. Edited June 13, 2016 by WeLuvIrnBru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Im sure it was noted that Northern Ireland hadnt lost a first half goal in 20 competitive ties. There's a clue to their success. Our defence? What's the collective term for two or more bombscares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeLuvIrnBru Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) And another thing...STOP PLAYING MULGREW AT LEFT BACK! He appears to be the whittaker of the coming campaign!  What I mean by that is that when we play teams that are apparently better than us..or are playing away..he will be the 'solid' option at left back.  He does not have the pace....and we are easily exposed with him in there.  He also gets tucked in out of position in the centre and leaves that area ripe to exploit. Edited June 13, 2016 by WeLuvIrnBru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Rep of Ireland  just take the lead - a team who failed to beat us Horrible not making it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 8 hours ago, Auld_Reekie said: Im sure it was noted that Northern Ireland hadnt lost a first half goal in 20 competitive ties. There's a clue to their success. Our defence? What's the collective term for two or more bombscares? A Caldwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 19 hours ago, Auld_Reekie said: Im sure it was noted that Northern Ireland hadnt lost a first half goal in 20 competitive ties. There's a clue to their success. Our defence? What's the collective term for two or more bombscares? A few years ago it was or Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Northern Ireland can't afford to play like they did on Sunday again, they never attempted to go at them. A complete waste of a qualification entry. They aren't going to qualify every year so they have to at least make an attempt to attack the opposition and have a go. They could look back on this in years to come and think "what if" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green_Tide_Rising Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) On 6/13/2016 at 9:33 AM, Rossy said: I can't believe that anyone thought Russia were worse than Northern Ireland.   Personally i thought the North were better as a defensive unit.  Whatever about which side is better...that russia team is shockingly poor...especially as 2 of their most important players are missing the tournament. Edited June 14, 2016 by Green_Tide_Rising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green_Tide_Rising Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 On 6/13/2016 at 6:08 PM, Derek said: Rep of Ireland  just take the lead - a team who failed to beat us Horrible not making it Republic of Ireland a team who beat the world champions at home and drew with them away. A team that got maximum points against georgia both home and away.....Derek my friend, put things into perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 6 hours ago, Green_Tide_Rising said: Republic of Ireland a team who beat the world champions at home and drew with them away. A team that got maximum points against georgia both home and away.....Derek my friend, put things into perspective. This is the crux of our failure to qualify. Ireland negated the 4 points we took off them by taking 4 off Germany. They then managed the seemingly impossible task of beating 125th ranked Georgia. It's hard to accept how crucial, and terrible, that result out there was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 7 hours ago, Fairbairn said: This is the crux of our failure to qualify. Ireland negated the 4 points we took off them by taking 4 off Germany. They then managed the seemingly impossible task of beating 125th ranked Georgia. It's hard to accept how crucial, and terrible, that result out there was. The result was poor but the gutless performance was worse. For that game alone Strachan should be under far more scrutiny than he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 On 6/13/2016 at 8:36 AM, Pool Q said: For a while many of us were happy that clubs were playing (largely due to financial necessity) young Scottish players. But how many of them have actually developed and moved on? There seems now to be a drift away from that (you can bet most OF spending will be outwith Scotland - and I know they can't win, will be criticised if they 'pinch' young Scottish players), and I fear too many other signings will be from the English lower leagues or Ireland, alongside a few overprice haddies from abroad looking for some easy money. It's a shite state of affairs. This reminds of these stats posted by Gordon Waddell: Brutal numbers if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Well, well, well.  2-0 to the North of Ireland.  Second goal set up by Magennis and scored by McGinn.  It's not like we don't have players as good as those two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loons Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 If it hadn't sunk in already then it definitely has now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyshaker Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 12 minutes ago, loons said: If it hadn't sunk in already then it definitely has now This. Every bloody game it gets worse, it's been a really enjoyable tournament and it's gutting seeing all the fans from the likes of Iceland, Albania, Norn Iron, Wales, Sweden, etc, etc enjoying themselves and wishing we were there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 It's becoming clearer that our predicament is not purely about quality of available players. For people to keep saying that is clearly wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan cake Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 30 minutes ago, ShedTA said: It's becoming clearer that our predicament is not purely about quality of available players. For people to keep saying that is clearly wrong. Correct, our management team are stuck in the past What do McCall and McGhee offer? Surely someone like Ian Cathro with fresh ideas should be involved. Being somebody's mate or ex-team mate shouldn't be enough to get you a job in international football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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