Jeremy Corbyn - fecked?

[ErsatzThistle]

2 minutes ago, Toepoke said:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14993738.Scottish_Labour_heading_for_new_electoral_iceberg_as_internal_polls_show_it_on_just_15_per_cent/

Must remember to get some jelly and ice cream in 

It's quite funny how many English and Welsh Labour MP's praise "Kez" and seem genuinely baffled by how badly they are doing up in Scotlandshire. 

[phart]

 

"The simmering row between Jeremy Corbyn supporters and the BBC’s political editor Laura Kuenssberg has erupted once again after a “drafted finding” by the corporation’s watchdog found that a report on the Labour leader’s views on shoot-to-kill had breached accuracy guidelines...

 

"...A BBC spokesperson said: "BBC News does not accept the assertions made and the complaint has been rejected on four separate occasions already. The Trust has not published a finding regarding this appeal and BBC News has further evidence it is still to present this month before that happens."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/laura-kuenssberg-bbc-political-editor-jeremy-corbyn-bbc-row-impartiality-a7514581.html?cmpid=facebook-post

 

Not a fan of the "journalist" at all.

She of course won journalist of the year this year.

Edited January 7, 2017 by phart

[Toepoke]

Labour about to embrace federalism?....

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15009188.UK_Labour_shadow_chancellor_calls_for_a__radical_federal__UK_as_Labour_shifts_ground_on_union/

 

[Ally Bongo]

14 minutes ago, Toepoke said:

Labour about to embrace federalism?....

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15009188.UK_Labour_shadow_chancellor_calls_for_a__radical_federal__UK_as_Labour_shifts_ground_on_union/

 

They have more neck than a giraffe by thinking anyone believes not only that they are serious but that they can deliver it anytime soon

You have to really question why the Labour party are desparate to keep Scotland tied to a right wing Tory Government led UK

I actually fvcking hate them

[kumnio]

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Speaking this week, Dugdale said: "I have proposed a federal solution, where every nation and the regions of England could take more responsibility for what happens in their communities – while firmly safeguarding the redistribution of wealth across the UK."

My contempt for Labour is not in doubt, but for the love of god, does she not realise how badly this reads. It will be twisted on facebook and twitter incredibly easily, Dugdale is saying Scotland is the same as North East of England, or any other region, not a real country etc Its political suicide as usual from her, she is staggeringly inept. FFS if I can see where she is going wrong and get annoyed at it, despite wanting them to go so badly wrong, the people getting paid to ruin her and her party must have the easiest job in the world. Dugdale needs to go.

Labour are finished in Scotland, its pretty much as simple as that. Please just roll over and die, the pathetic hanging on nonsense is just sad.

McDonnell and Corbyn are actually decent people, its just a pity that they are few and very far between.

[exile]

35 minutes ago, Toepoke said:

Labour about to embrace federalism?....

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15009188.UK_Labour_shadow_chancellor_calls_for_a__radical_federal__UK_as_Labour_shifts_ground_on_union/

 

Is it the ghost of Devo Max putting in an appearance again?

[Rossy]

17 minutes ago, exile said:

Is it the ghost of Devo Max putting in an appearance again?

Can't be long until The Clunking Fist makes an appearance.

 

 

[AlfieMoon]

3 hours ago, kumnio said:

My contempt for Labour is not in doubt, but for the love of god, does she not realise how badly this reads. It will be twisted on facebook and twitter incredibly easily, Dugdale is saying Scotland is the same as North East of England, or any other region, not a real country etc Its political suicide as usual from her, she is staggeringly inept. FFS if I can see where she is going wrong and get annoyed at it, despite wanting them to go so badly wrong, the people getting paid to ruin her and her party must have the easiest job in the world. Dugdale needs to go.

Labour are finished in Scotland, its pretty much as simple as that. Please just roll over and die, the pathetic hanging on nonsense is just sad.

McDonnell and Corbyn are actually decent people, its just a pity that they are few and very far between.

She is so thick and clutching at straws it's unbelievable. 

This latest shift of position to suggest even more powers to what was supposed to be (according to them) one of the most powerful devolved parliaments in the world ((c) G. Brown 2014) -

Firstly ... why are they suggesting we need more powers and/or federalism? What is it that they are suggesting is broken in Scotland as a result of the current constitution? Given that they defend it to the hilt. If they genuinely say what the problem is then they are forced to expose the cracks and that puts them on the back foot big time now and opens a can of worms as let's face it - they won't be in power to deliver but will have stated the UK constitution doesn't work for Scotland. Of course - we all realise that the only thing that Labour actually think isn't working is their vote share and number of seats. This is the real desperation as opposed to unchallenged  sound bites of more local responsibility, blah, blah. 

 

Secondly... she doesn't realise what a contradiction she's making in this suggestion. Talking about 'safeguarding redistribution of wealth across the U.K.' (new soundbite replacement - see 'pooling and sharing resources).  Well... a federal U.K. would surely be the exact opposite of that! With only defence and foreign policy being left as reserved to Westminster, the federalism solution for local responsibility means just that -  responsibility! = income tax, vat, corporate tax - basically the lot!! Responsible for the above and reaping the rewards or suffering the failures of your local country/region's new found accountability. But if the UKGov are to safeguard the redistribution of wealth across the U.K.  (as oor Kez had suggested) then that's just more of what we have just now. So theoretically Scotland could implement effective policies which improve public sector revenue and cut expenditure but the improved balance sheet could/would be for nothing if Westminster choose/need to redistribute to other federal regions that are underperforming. That's not federalism. It's lunacy! And such a contradiction. 

I imagine the other hidden part of this strategy which hasn't been divulged is that Labour would want Scotland to be more than one federal region. This will be part of the medium term strategy to attempt to diminish the notion of Scottish nationhood. 

[Rossy]

A good article here...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/09/maybot-fails-to-channel-happier-times-with-theme-of-social-injustice

The rUk at this moment is effectively leaderless. May is anonymous, and the Tories seem to have no idea or inclination to make or push forward any policies at all. 

There is a vacuum in political inspiration, and it feels as if governance has almost disappeared. The only thing she has in her favour is that she's protected by the right-wing media.

Labour will never have a better chance to become the party that should be dominating UK politics and putting huge daily pressure on this pathetic Tory administration. 

But no. If anything, they're more pathetic than the Conservatives. What the hell is Corbyn doing ? Who gives a voice to the millions who are not twisted right-wing fanatics ? 

Only the SNP by the looks of it. Labour are a disgrace. 

[ErsatzThistle]

42 minutes ago, Rossy said:

A good article here...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/09/maybot-fails-to-channel-happier-times-with-theme-of-social-injustice

The rUk at this moment is effectively leaderless. May is anonymous, and the Tories seem to have no idea or inclination to make or push forward any policies at all. 

There is a vacuum in political inspiration, and it feels as if governance has almost disappeared. The only thing she has in her favour is that she's protected by the right-wing media.

Labour will never have a better chance to become the party that should be dominating UK politics and putting huge daily pressure on this pathetic Tory administration. 

But no. If anything, they're more pathetic than the Conservatives. What the hell is Corbyn doing ? Who gives a voice to the millions who are not twisted right-wing fanatics ? 

Only the SNP by the looks of it. Labour are a disgrace. 

Agree with the gist of your post there but in fairness to Corbyn it is bloody hard work leading an opposition where only about 15-20 of his own MPs genuinely support him and his aims.

Edited January 9, 2017 by ErsatzThistle

[Parklife]

15 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said:

Agree with the gist of your post there but in fairness to Corbyn it is bloody hard work leading an opposition where only about 15-20 of his own MPs genuinely support him and his aims.

And 100% of the media are against him. 

[Squirrelhumper]

Auld Jezza has lost the plot going by his latest interview.

[Parklife]

12 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

Auld Jezza has lost the plot going by his latest interview.

Why's that? 

[Third Lanark]

14 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

Auld Jezza has lost the plot going by his latest interview.

Care to justify that? Anything wrong with calling for a cap on salaries? Or being willing to join a picket line? FFS that's what Labour leaders should be doing. Immigration? Most of the net immigration came from outside the EU. So where has he 'lost the plot? By calling for the NHS to be saved from privatisation? By calling for rail to be nationalised? Stop repeating Daily Express cliches.

[Rossy]

2 hours ago, Parklife said:

And 100% of the media are against him. 

 

5 minutes ago, Third Lanark said:

Care to justify that? Anything wrong with calling for a cap on salaries? Or being willing to join a picket line? FFS that's what Labour leaders should be doing. Immigration? Most of the net immigration came from outside the EU. So where has he 'lost the plot? By calling for the NHS to be saved from privatisation? By calling for rail to be nationalised? Stop repeating Daily Express cliches.

Regardless of all that, what kind of leadership is Corbyn showing ?

The Tories are incompetent, divided, clueless and confused, yet Labour are offering precisely ZERO challenge to them. Nothing.

At a time when the rUK desperately needs a strong opposition, Corbyn seems obsessed by the minutae of his own socialist agenda. An agenda which has a snowball's chance in hell of getting the Labour party back into power. 

I can't remember a time in British politics when (Sturgeon aside) there was such a lack of leadership and paucity of ability all around.

It's appalling.

[Parklife]

15 minutes ago, Rossy said:

 

Regardless of all that, what kind of leadership is Corbyn showing ?

That depends what you expect him to be doing? 

I've been extremely impressed with him over the last week. His attempts to hold the government to account on the issues the NHS is facing in England and Wales have been excellent. He and Labour would be better off if some of his fellow Labour MP's stood up to be counted and continually highlighted failings in the service. However all the snakes on the backbenches will do nothing that'd possibly help Corbyn. 

 

[Alibi]

My impression of Corbyn from his statements and interviews yesterday is that he is utterly clueless and ha has not a shred of leadership ability.  His pre-prepared line that Labour wasn't "wedded" to free movement was followed by qualifications and what amounted to a complete U-turn.  Nobody ended up knowing what he stood for or what he was against.  He is floundering, unable to land a blow on the most right wing tory administation in living memory.  He most definitely is not PM material.  He is appalling.  The fact that he is a unionist also marks him down on my scorecard, but even if he were not, I don't think he has the necessary qualities to lead.  Dugdale would do better as leader of the UK Labour Party, and that's not intended as a compliment.

 

With ever passing day, it becomes more and more obvious even to the hard of understanding that Scotland needs to steer its own path.  Corbyn offers Scotland nothing, so he's not the solution; he's part of the problem.

[Parklife]

11 minutes ago, Alibi said:

My impression of Corbyn from his statements and interviews yesterday is that he is utterly clueless and ha has not a shred of leadership ability.  His pre-prepared line that Labour wasn't "wedded" to free movement was followed by qualifications and what amounted to a complete U-turn.  Nobody ended up knowing what he stood for or what he was against.  He is floundering, unable to land a blow on the most right wing tory administation in living memory.  He most definitely is not PM material.  He is appalling.  The fact that he is a unionist also marks him down on my scorecard, but even if he were not, I don't think he has the necessary qualities to lead.  Dugdale would do better as leader of the UK Labour Party, and that's not intended as a compliment.

 

With ever passing day, it becomes more and more obvious even to the hard of understanding that Scotland needs to steer its own path.  Corbyn offers Scotland nothing, so he's not the solution; he's part of the problem.

 

Congratulations on the most ridiculous post i've seen on this board in quite some time. 

[biffer]

17 hours ago, Parklife said:

Why's that? 

He floated a line at 8 am, it'd changed by 11am and changed again by 3 pm (that's on salary caps). And on immigration, I haven't a fricking clue what he believes after yesterday's ramblings.

[Rossy]

17 hours ago, Parklife said:

 However all the snakes on the backbenches will do nothing that'd possibly help Corbyn. 

 

It may be their frustration in knowing that Labour are utterly unelectable under Corbyn.

The fact is, he's not a leader. He's not a communicator. He's an ideaologist who appeals to the converted but who will never, ever attract the huge number of people who sit politically on the middle-ground.

Now, I don't care about Labour being in power. But at a point in time where the lunatic policies of the ultra right-wing are driving the rUK towards the edge of a cliff, surely Labour owe the country a decent, strong opposition ?

I suspect that all his bumbling did yesterday was to make a few more people say that they'll never vote Labour again.

 

[Parklife]

Corbyn again dominating PMQ's today. Don't expect you'll see it reported much though, 

[Squirrelhumper]

20 hours ago, Parklife said:

Why's that? 

As he is utterly clueless and incapable of being a leader.

Completely and utterly un-electable. If he really cared about his party or opposing the Tories he'd maybe perhaps bin some of his pie in the sky ideas but no, he's more intent on his ego that forming any sort of creditable opposition. As long as he's leader the Tories are a shoe in for number 10.

[Parklife]

Just repeating "he's clueless" doesn't really answer anything. 

[Squirrelhumper]

20 hours ago, Third Lanark said:

Care to justify that? Anything wrong with calling for a cap on salaries? Or being willing to join a picket line? FFS that's what Labour leaders should be doing. Immigration? Most of the net immigration came from outside the EU. So where has he 'lost the plot? By calling for the NHS to be saved from privatisation? By calling for rail to be nationalised? Stop repeating Daily Express cliches.

Labour Leaders should ensure their party is a creditable opposition, especially against a Tory Party that's in turmoil. 

His salary cap stuff is pie in the sky stuff. 

[Squirrelhumper]

2 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Just repeating "he's clueless" doesn't really answer anything. 

Neither does you saying he's dominating PMQ's!