Alan Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Looking forward to all the socialists in Scotland being socialist. "Socialist" with flags maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 9 minutes ago, Alan said: Looking forward to all the socialists in Scotland being socialist. "Socialist" with flags maybe. ? How Scottish Labour members would appear to have voted today comes as no surprise to anyone Of those that still vote Labour the majority are of the Blair McDougall/Duncan Hothersall ilk typified by those seen in attendence at Gordon Brown interventions. Real socialists left to join the Greens/Rise yonks ago ..and yes many vote for the SNP as well as they are seen as a means to an end That end might not be a socialist Scotland but a Scotland that is far fairer than what we have under Westminster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 This is brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Labour are finsished as a serious oppostion party as long as he remains leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 20 minutes ago, EddardStark said: Labour are finsished as a serious oppostion party as long as he remains leader. Unfortunately true. He's got no chance when most of his party would rather a Tory government than a Labour one with him as PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 2 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: Unfortunately true. He's got no chance when most of his party would rather a Tory government than a Labour one with him as PM. 'Most' of his party? Seriously? The PLP maybe but not the party of which I am a newly rejoined member. The right wingers will gradually be weeded out and replaced. Amazed at how folk in Scotland cannot distinguish between Left and Right Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 7 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Amazed at how folk in Scotland cannot distinguish between Left and Right Labour. The supposed honest left winger Corbyn repeats the Scottish Labour lie that the SNP are doubling down on further Tory cuts to the Scottish budget - when it would be better served attacking the Tories for cutting the Scottish budget further What are people meant to think when he spouts the same pish as Kezia ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 8 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: 'Most' of his party? Seriously? The PLP maybe but not the party of which I am a newly rejoined member. The right wingers will gradually be weeded out and replaced. Amazed at how folk in Scotland cannot distinguish between Left and Right Labour. Arguably there is very little left of left wing labour in Scotland as most of that has gone to the Greens, RISE or the SNP. Probably explains why Owen Smith won more support in Scotland than Corbyn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 45 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: The supposed honest left winger Corbyn repeats the Scottish Labour lie that the SNP are doubling down on further Tory cuts to the Scottish budget - when it would be better served attacking the Tories for cutting the Scottish budget further What are people meant to think when he spouts the same pish as Kezia ? But they will be; they have stolen progressive clothes but they are essentially a neo-liberal party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 6 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said: This is brilliant Excellent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 54 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: But they will be; they have stolen progressive clothes but they are essentially a neo-liberal party. Do i really have to post the Jean Luc Picard picture to that absolute codswallop ? What exactly are Labour under Corbyn ? You really think it's socialism ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 http://wingsoverscotland.com/expressway-to-lietown/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Third Lanark said: 'Most' of his party? Seriously? The PLP maybe but not the party of which I am a newly rejoined member. The right wingers will gradually be weeded out and replaced. Amazed at how folk in Scotland cannot distinguish between Left and Right Labour. I wasn't meaning members or supporters. It appears there's a hell of a lot of right wingers to weed out and these MP's have been elected. I suspect they will keep trying to change leaders until it eventually happens or Corbyn just gets fed up and quits. It's rubbish because a Labour Party fully behind Corbyn would offer a genuine alternative to the Torys that could appeal to a lot of voters but a party infighting won't get elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 38 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: I wasn't meaning members or supporters. It appears there's a hell of a lot of right wingers to weed out and these MP's have been elected. I suspect they will keep trying to change leaders until it eventually happens or Corbyn just gets fed up and quits. It's rubbish because a Labour Party fully behind Corbyn would offer a genuine alternative to the Torys that could appeal to a lot of voters but a party infighting won't get elected. JC won't get fed up easily and his supporters won't allow him to give in. I'm optimistic that they will get weeded out. What the right wing can't do is to out-recruit the Left: they won't find 300k to support their Blairite agenda. No chance. I never thought the LP could be rebuilt in England; don't be shocked if it transforms in Scotland too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 20 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: JC won't get fed up easily and his supporters won't allow him to give in. I'm optimistic that they will get weeded out. What the right wing can't do is to out-recruit the Left: they won't find 300k to support their Blairite agenda. No chance. I never thought the LP could be rebuilt in England; don't be shocked if it transforms in Scotland too. How long will it take to weed these elected MP's out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Corbyn faces a monumental challenge trying to transform the labour party back to what it was pre blairite takeover. And even if he manages to do that which is very doubtful why do they think it win general elections. The UK and especially england don't typically vote for left wing governments. So if Corbun cleans house and then replaces it with a party that is essentially unelectable again what future then for any kind of viable alternative to the conservatives. Massive gamble but I don't think he has the balls to do it anyway. He seems a bit wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 There was a Labour MP on 5Live this morning saying he would rather vote Tory than vote for Labour under Corbyn. What chance have the Labour party got ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 1 minute ago, Rossy said: There was a Labour MP on 5Live this morning saying he would rather vote Tory than vote for Labour under Corbyn. What chance have the Labour party got ? Which one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 22 minutes ago, aaid said: Which one? An MP from Portsmouth. He said that he didn't trust Corbyn with the defence of the UK and he would rather vote Tory. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rossy said: An MP from Portsmouth. He said that he didn't trust Corbyn with the defence of the UK and he would rather vote Tory. Ouch. Both Portsmouth MPs are female Tories. It was probably the leader of Portsmouth Council Labour group who resigned yesterday. Doesn't make your point any less valid though. Edited September 27, 2016 by aaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 2 hours ago, aaid said: Both Portsmouth MPs are female Tories. It was probably the leader of Portsmouth Council Labour group who resigned yesterday. Doesn't make your point any less valid though. Well at least he's gone. Too many like him have infiltrated Labour since the eighties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 3 hours ago, thplinth said: Corbyn faces a monumental challenge trying to transform the labour party back to what it was pre blairite takeover. And even if he manages to do that which is very doubtful why do they think it win general elections. The UK and especially england don't typically vote for left wing governments. So if Corbun cleans house and then replaces it with a party that is essentially unelectable again what future then for any kind of viable alternative to the conservatives. Massive gamble but I don't think he has the balls to do it anyway. He seems a bit wet. There has never, NEVER, been a genuine left alternative to vote for, apart maybe from the post-WW2 landslide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 3 hours ago, aaid said: Both Portsmouth MPs are female Tories. It was probably the leader of Portsmouth Council Labour group who resigned yesterday. Doesn't make your point any less valid though. Yeah, you're right...my apologies. I turned the car radio on after the interview had started, I just presumed it was an MP... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 I'd happily vote for a Corbyn led Labour Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Am I tripping? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37579687 This really is a replay of the 80's now big time. Weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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