adamntg Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) 45 minutes ago, slasher said: What? You mean like contributing aid, visiting the area to volunteer for aid agencies, attending marches, demos, getting involved in pressure groups? That sort of thing? Cos people within the support have done all of that Deecie. The most concerning aspect of all of this for me was the implied threat of arrest from Police Scotland pre match to those displaying Palestinian symbols. I'm not sure what the SNP are trying to do with our police force but it is deeply concerning. Everything else, including the reaction from certain quarters is entirely predictable. I was with you till you tried to turn it into the SNP's fault. On the rest of it, I don't know why people think supporting the oppressed in Palestine has anything to do with which football team you support. It's nothing to do with Celtic or their "victim good". It's basic human decency. Edited August 19, 2016 by adamntg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Anyone who believes the Celtic support give a shit about Palestine is naive as anything. They just see it as a cause for attention like all the others. It fits the victim mentality of a lot of their support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 7 minutes ago, Chief said: Anyone who believes the Celtic support give a shit about Palestine is naive as anything. They just see it as a cause for attention like all the others. It fits the victim mentality of a lot of their support. I agree with that, mostly. It still doesnt excuse UEFA from being twats though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 1 hour ago, deecie said: If they feel so strongly about it, why don't they do something meaningful about it? What like go over to Gaza and let a few tyres down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 19 minutes ago, Chief said: Anyone who believes the Celtic support give a shit about Palestine is naive as anything. They just see it as a cause for attention like all the others. It fits the victim mentality of a lot of their support. In fairness, you could also change that around to accurately describe an element of the Rangers support and their championing of Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I said on the other thread that I wonder how long it will be until Nicola Sturgeon gets the blame. It never took long! Eejits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 1 hour ago, adamntg said: I was with you till you tried to turn it into the SNP's fault. On the rest of it, I don't know why people think supporting the oppressed in Palestine has anything to do with which football team you support. It's nothing to do with Celtic or their "victim good". It's basic human decency. I'm not trying to 'turn it into the SNP'S fault'. I've voted SNP since I was old enough to and my wife and son are members. I just don't like the way our Police force is being run and they are largely responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 10 hours ago, kumnio said: It still doesnt excuse UEFA from being twats though. UEFA rules are crystal clear on political statements, and have been for a while. Most people I believe would agree that it's obvious that the rules are there for a reason. 9 hours ago, slasher said: s. I just don't like the way our Police force is being run and they are largely responsible. Is that true, or is it just that you don't like that a law....that Celtic fans demanded was brought in....has been applied to Celtic fans themselves ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellyman Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 13 hours ago, phart said: politics are everywhere, why do you think Israel are in the Uefa competition in the first place. So UEFA are doing exactly what they are directing clubs to not do and get involved in political issue's ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 I didn't even mention the OBA Rossy, it's much wider than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Is it specifically Isreal that UEFA like to defend? Genuine question. I can't be arsed with religious shit nor political pish so I might be totally misunderstanding this crap? Help... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Spain as well ,they are no keen on Catalonia,maybe aseperatist thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.mccole Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 C'mon the Catalans. Fly the flag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batzek-osemba Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 17 hours ago, deecie said: If they feel so strongly about it, why don't they do something meaningful about it? Like invading israel and tearing down the wall? Throwing stones at israeli occupation forces? The raise awareness, boycott israeli goods, do collect money and show soludarity. I think that is pretty decent although i do not share their stance on israel and Hamas etc.at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 OK let's see how many go Israel. And then how many flags appear , cmon gb let's be avvin ye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Celtic fans can moan all they want but the rules why UEFA forbid this kind of thing are clear and obvious, Political opinion by its very nature is subjective. Just because you agree with it doesn't mean others will, and if UEFA started to allow political statements to be made then there would be no end to it. Football is football, not a vehicle for the disaffected to act out victimhood fantasies, or for extremists to rally. If Rangers fans (for example) were to put on a massive pro-Israel display at Ibrox the very Celtic fans demanding special dispensation from UEFA now would be the first up in arms to condemn it....guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 10 minutes ago, Rossy said: Celtic fans can moan all they want but the rules why UEFA forbid this kind of thing are clear and obvious, Political opinion by its very nature is subjective. Just because you agree with it doesn't mean others will, and if UEFA started to allow political statements to be made then there would be no end to it. Football is football, not a vehicle for the disaffected to act out victimhood fantasies, or for extremists to rally. If Rangers fans (for example) were to put on a massive pro-Israel display at Ibrox the very Celtic fans demanding special dispensation from UEFA now would be the first up in arms to condemn it....guaranteed. Exactly And as i have said whilst support for the people of Palestine is a good thing flying Palestinian flags can also be seen by some as support for Hamas Getting involved in middle east disputes isnt wise - there's plenty of threads about it in anything goes .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Who's moaning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: Exactly And as i have said whilst support for the people of Palestine is a good thing flying Palestinian flags can also be seen by some as support for Hamas Getting involved in middle east disputes isnt wise - there's plenty of threads about it in anything goes .... Yep. The history behind the conflict is huge. But, don't worry as wee, spotty 15 year old Declan fae Coatbridge has it sorted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalgety Bay TA Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Ormond said: Yep. The history behind the conflict is huge. But, don't worry as wee, spotty 15 year old Declan fae Coatbridge has it sorted! Nice quote. Lifted directly from Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, Dalgety Bay TA said: Nice quote. Lifted directly from Twitter. And? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) 10 hours ago, wellyman said: So UEFA are doing exactly what they are directing clubs to not do and get involved in political issue's ???? Israel used to be in the Asian cup or league or whatever it was called at the time. They even won it, but none of the arab teams would play them. Other teams wouldn't play them. So they were in limbo. Israel isn't in Europe how else could it play here politics. It was an organised demo in Wales by Stop the War last year to fly Palestinian flags, it happens all across the world as well. via limited ambassadorial access, restricted relations etc.The Palestinian plight is a global issue, not some parochial scottish football shite. "Last September Scottish clubs Dundalk, Celtic and St Johnstone were all handed fines for breaching Uefa’s disciplinary regulations when their supporters raised the flag, which “transmitted a message that is not deemed fit for a sports event.” A week prior, an Israeli flag was raised in the Champions League by Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund supporters. Neither club faced disciplinary action." https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-e161-Wales-v-Israel-Let-the-Palestinian-flags-fly#.V7icq63x4cM Edited August 20, 2016 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 From the other day:- "When Real Madrid play Sevilla FC in the UEFA Super Cup in the Norwegian city of Trondheim on Tuesday 9 August, the UEFA Foundation for Children will join Handicap International in condemning the use of explosive weapons in populated areas in recent and current conflicts worldwide. During the opening ceremony, the captains of both teams will be escorted by two Afghan and Syrian children with disabilities, now refugees in Norway. Together, they will carry the UEFA Europa League and UEFA Champions League cups onto the pitch."http://www.handicap-international.ca/en/news/european-soccer-united-against-the-bombing-of-civilians Football....politics....uefa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Ormond said: And? Don't be a plagiarist I love political displays at sport,well ones that don't actually disturb the action. Considering every major sporting event is designed with capitalism in mind, FIFA co-opt countries tax laws create special laws for stadia that contradict local laws and supersede them, Any talk of "no politics in sport" just gets snorts of ridicule from me. This board is helplessly parochial and tribal at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Dalgety Bay TA said: Nice quote. Lifted directly from Twitter. true though if you replace Declan with Brian or even Hamish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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