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Do we want Slovakia to win?


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Our natural animal tartan instinct might be to want Slovakia to win the early game on Sunday, but we should think before we braveheart ourselves.      Yes, hating England is normal but think of the bigger picture when it comes to group points.  Might be better not shout so loud at the tv for an English defeat. 

 

Is the plan to finish 2nd behind England and therefore require the alpha team to deprive our close competitors of points throughout the campaign? Is there a better plan?

 

I've got ideas but I'm not 100% sure.       I know for a fact that the pub will cheer Iceland style when England lose a goal but I wonder if it's a short sighted thing to celebrate.  :-(

 

 

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3 hours ago, hannibal smith said:

England will win the group so it's probably best for us if they take full points off Slovakia and Slovenia 

This 100%.  We don't want them doing a Germany and gifting points to our nearest rivals whilst ultimately winning the group anyway!

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4 hours ago, hannibal smith said:

England will win the group so it's probably best for us if they take full points off Slovakia and Slovenia 

Indeed.

Don't people remember our last group when we'd have qualified if Germany had done the decent thing and taken 12 points off Poland and Ireland?

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We are going to be relying a lot on England getting wins in this campaign..... that was one thing that cost us last time was Germany dropping silly points in games they should really have won (and us not getting anything off them to cancel out the other teams results v them).

England will most likely win the group, so we need to them to be beating Slovakia and Slovenia for us (and hopefully take their eye off the ball v us).

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24 minutes ago, wanderer said:

We are going to be relying a lot on England getting wins in this campaign..... that was one thing that cost us last time was Germany dropping silly points in games they should really have won (and us not getting anything off them to cancel out the other teams results v them).

England will most likely win the group, so we need to them to be beating Slovakia and Slovenia for us (and hopefully take their eye off the ball v us).

Gonna be strange celebrating an england goal

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Germany dropping points did not costs us anything. Us failing to beat Poland at all, only beating Ireland one and losing to Georgia is what cost us.  We should not rely on anyone, we have our own job to do, if we don't qualify (we won't) it'll be because we failed, not because another team failed to win all of their games,

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30 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

Germany dropping points did not costs us anything. Us failing to beat Poland at all, only beating Ireland one and losing to Georgia is what cost us.  We should not rely on anyone, we have our own job to do, if we don't qualify (we won't) it'll be because we failed, not because another team failed to win all of their games,

Aye but we need to hope for other results to go our way pal.  Can work for us.   Still got a massive double header coming up v england.

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10 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

Germany dropping points did not costs us anything. Us failing to beat Poland at all, only beating Ireland one and losing to Georgia is what cost us.  We should not rely on anyone, we have our own job to do, if we don't qualify (we won't) it'll be because we failed, not because another team failed to win all of their games,

Germany dropping points wasn't the problem, it was Poland & Ireland picking them up.

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12 minutes ago, bonny78 said:

Aye but we need to hope for other results to go our way pal.  Can work for us.   Still got a massive double header coming up v england.

we should concentrate on our own results, hoping for others to go our way is pointless.

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4 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

we should concentrate on our own results, hoping for others to go our way is pointless.

That's certainly more important with the nonsense arrangement that eliminates the worst runner up.

Scraping into second place on the back of other teams slipping up possibly won't be good enough...

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1 hour ago, vanderark14 said:

Germany dropping points did not costs us anything. Us failing to beat Poland at all, only beating Ireland one and losing to Georgia is what cost us.  We should not rely on anyone, we have our own job to do, if we don't qualify (we won't) it'll be because we failed, not because another team failed to win all of their games,

Total agreement.  

We should take each game as it comes. 3pts on Sunday for us and two draws in the other games would be a brilliant start. 

We should be aiming to win the group! Of course that's more than likely not going to happen, but aim high! 

This group isn't particularly tough. England have an excellent qualifying record and will be tough to topple, and Malta are probably one of the stronger Low-ranked seeds, but the middle 3 are all beatable over 2 legs. 

I'd be looking at 

Malta 6pts

Slovenia/Slovakia 4

Lithuania 6

We do that we'll have a decent shot at the playoffs. 

Need to be ruthless on Sunday and Lithuania away. Do what Ireland do and grind out wins away to lower seeds. No excuses about heat or Kaunas being a difficult place to go!

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If we want to qualify we must adopt a new attitude, never give up and never feel that losing is acceptable, regardless of the opposition. 

We should be aiming to beat our rivals and England. As unlikely as it may feel we have to fight them for everything. Accepted less than a win against our rivals is setting us up to fall. I have no doubt that we will hear McGhee and Strachan tell us how its not the end of the world if we draw, yes it bloody well is. Draws get you nothing. 

 

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