thplinth Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: I never seen it as a vote about identity, while I would never vote no I understand why many did, and many did because they thought it was the best decision for their families and Scotland. Maybe not identity but I think that word contains the clue which is 'entity'. You are an (id)entity, your family are an entity, your company if you have one is an entity, your football team, your town, your region and your country. Country is a very ancient very deep entity. Scotland the entity is all about looking after Scots. So why would you ever hand the decision making of that entity to another country, that defeats the whole purpose of 'Scotland'. It is like having a family and then letting the family next door make all your decisions for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 3 minutes ago, thplinth said: Maybe not identity but I think that word contains the clue which is 'entity'. You are an (id)entity, your family are an entity, your company if you have one is an entity, your football team, your town, your region and your country. Country is a very ancient very deep entity. Scotland the entity is all about looking after Scots. So why would you ever hand the decision making of that entity to another country, that defeats the whole purpose of 'Scotland'. It is like having a family and then letting the family next door make all your decisions for you. I don't disagree with a lot of that but I look as Scotland as a country in a political union with other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spark Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 3 hours ago, Glasgowmancity said: Never seemed to be a problem in Dortmund just prior to the referendum There was a few scraps just after we got into the ground in Dortmund because some guys took issue with another boy telling everyone to hide their yes flags so they wouldn't get confiscated, so that's not totally correct. Your experience was obviously different though, which is good to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 12 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: I don't disagree with a lot of that but I look as Scotland as a country in a political union with other countries. My preferred world is not perhaps so different to yours. Rather than trying to homogenize nations into union superstates I would like to see nation states encouraged to be independent (rather than unionized out of existence) with nations being the ultimate "MP's in this global parliament / community. Then using this nation state framework and over time national economies and cultures will gradually converge (or not and those who do not will not join) and then when unions do become obvious they will happen naturally. This attempt to eliminate nations first in the hope it will lead to magical super quick economic and cultural convergence is not only stupid it is down right dangerous. Personally I think it it is being done very deliberately* to destabilize us (i.e. EU member states). (*not saying you personally here just spraffing ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, thplinth said: My preferred world is not perhaps so different to yours. Rather than trying to homogenize nations into union superstates I would like to see nation states encouraged to be independent (rather than unionized out of existence) with nations being the ultimate "MP's in this global parliament / community. Then using this nation state framework and over time national economies and cultures will gradually converge (or not and those who do not will not join) and then when unions do become obvious they will happen naturally. This attempt to eliminate nations first in the hope it will lead to magical super quick economic and cultural convergence is not only stupid it is down right dangerous. Personally I think it it is being done very deliberately* to destabilize us (i.e. EU member states). (*not saying you personally here just spraffing ) I wanted independence and can't see a situation were I would vote against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 12 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: I wanted independence and can't see a situation were I would vote against it. Me too. Seems like things get out of kilter when you have too much nation or too much union in politics. I would be happy with strong nations in strong unions but alas one seems destined to eat the other. If it is a choice I would be loathed to give up nations for unions. Because it is like joining the euro (but worse), you can never ever go back even if it is obviously a huge mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I heard it was khraigh and his Hearts supporting nephew the 2 people attacked. A real loss to the TA. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 minute ago, Alan said: I heard it was khraigh and his Hearts supporting nephew the 2 people attacked. A real loss to the TA. Again. No way. He is an ex-boxer. Laid oot a traffic cop with one punch. He wouldnae put up with any of that shyte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I'm calling bullshit on this whole sorry charade. The OP has caught a few bites, I'll give him his due Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 12 hours ago, DoonTheSlope said: I'm calling bullshit on this whole sorry charade. The OP has caught a few bites, I'll give him his due He's probably been posting on FollowFollow or Rangurzmeeja since then banging on about how the TA hate Rangers, how everyone on the TAMB was laughing at how his two mates (recently knighted for their charity work) got beat up in by nine hundred IRA loving Aberdonians out in Malta and he will now be supporting England from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 On 9/14/2016 at 4:28 PM, Glasgowmancity said: Never seemed to be a problem in Dortmund just prior to the referendum Wow. That Naw boy is a pure munter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 6 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said: He's probably been posting on FollowFollow or Rangurzmeeja since then banging on about how the TA hate Rangers, how everyone on the TAMB was laughing at how his two mates (recently knighted for their charity work) got beat up in by nine hundred IRA loving Aberdonians out in Malta and he will now be supporting England from now on. No he hasn't. But get well soon bud !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 3 hours ago, killiefaetheferry said: Wow. That Naw boy is a pure munter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 3 hours ago, killiefaetheferry said: Wow. That Naw boy is a pure munter. Not sure about the "pure"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 26 minutes ago, Flure said: Not sure about the "pure"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 4 hours ago, killiefaetheferry said: Wow. That Naw boy is a pure munter. He's definitely the better looking of the 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I can't reconcile that no voters like alan and deecie can support a so called national football team when they don't believe in that nation. Same with all those finlay farqhaur rugby juan kerrs. To them scotland should be nothing less than a region of the united kingdom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 37 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: I can't reconcile that no voters like alan and deecie can support a so called national football team when they don't believe in that nation. Same with all those finlay farqhaur rugby juan kerrs. To them scotland should be nothing less than a region of the united kingdom. Thanks, but I voted Yes last time. I'm sure if you keep insulting people with different opinions to you they'll change their minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spark Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 45 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: I can't reconcile that no voters like alan and deecie can support a so called national football team when they don't believe in that nation. Same with all those finlay farqhaur rugby juan kerrs. To them scotland should be nothing less than a region of the united kingdom. People like you do more harm than good to the independence movement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, deecie said: Thanks, but I voted Yes last time. I'm sure if you keep insulting people with different opinions to you they'll change their minds. Well said, Finlay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu101 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 On 22/09/2016 at 3:07 PM, scoobydoo said: I can't reconcile that no voters like alan and deecie can support a so called national football team when they don't believe in that nation. Same with all those finlay farqhaur rugby juan kerrs. To them scotland should be nothing less than a region of the united kingdom. That probably says alot about you then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrne2711 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 On 08/09/2016 at 8:43 AM, suriarte said: I was standing outside Scotsman on Thursday and witnessed the guy with the tyson tattoo getting chucked out and skelped by bouncer from Irish bar. He then staggered along and started on one of our group. After we walked away him and his wee weed of a pal went back to spitting at and square going the bouncer from 20 yards. I spoke to these two on the Sunday night after the game in Hugo's, both seemed alright as well....strange how a few days before they were acting like that (if it's the same guys, but doubt two people would have that 'tyson' tat) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 9 hours ago, Byrne2711 said: I spoke to these two on the Sunday night after the game in Hugo's, both seemed alright as well....strange how a few days before they were acting like that (if it's the same guys, but doubt two people would have that 'tyson' tat) Probably because they were off their tits on something - not drink - on the Thursday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 On 22/09/2016 at 3:07 PM, scoobydoo said: I can't reconcile that no voters like alan and deecie can support a so called national football team when they don't believe in that nation. Same with all those finlay farqhaur rugby juan kerrs. To them scotland should be nothing less than a region of the united kingdom. Typed all the way from Australia. Another Bonnie Prince Charlie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batzek-osemba Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) On Thursday, September 08, 2016 at 9:51 AM, CovGer said: Some of the posts on this thread make it easy to understand why some Rangers follow England. Some of these posts on this thread make it even easier to understand why some Scotland fans dont like (the new) Rangers (without even digging into the real deep shit of rangersmedia and follow follow). Megalomania, entitlement, paranoia, agression, victimhood and utter blatant lies all in one set of fans is like having 6 mad house inmates in one. This story (both are older Catholic work for charity..sure and donor blood 5 times a week and fought at Bannockburn?) is a blatant lie and typical sevco propaganda to fill and close the ranks. They love this siege mentality. On the one hand" we are the people"..on the other" the whole of Scotland is against us". That mentality is so weird and makes no sense. And yes, am aware theres good Sevco fans outhere as well....ive heard ;-) Edited September 29, 2016 by Batzek-osemba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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