bonny78 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I had forgotten how bad the foul was on hutton for the italy game. Wtf was it a free kik to them for?? Interesting about the phone call go mclesh. If i remember correctly, a draw was not enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Hunt Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, bonny78 said: I had forgotten how bad the foul was on hutton for the italy game. Wtf was it a free kik to them for?? Interesting about the phone call go mclesh. If i remember correctly, a draw was not enough? We needed a win following Georgia debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Hunt Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Notice that the majority of Scottish flags at 70s games were the royal standard lion rampant? My recollection of Wembley in those days was also that it was more Bay City Rollers than kilts and desert boots. Tam o shanters rather than see you jimmy hats. Glengarry always been worn as far as I remember. Likewise, at England's games it was many more union flags than st George crosses. Not vs us of course cos very few of them turned up in 70s. Wonder if they will ever get their own national anthem? Mebbe even their own parliament one day perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 21 minutes ago, bonny78 said: I had forgotten how bad the foul was on hutton for the italy game. Wtf was it a free kik to them for?? Interesting about the phone call go mclesh. If i remember correctly, a draw was not enough? Should say mclesh got Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 15 minutes ago, bonny78 said: If i remember correctly, a draw was not enough? We'd still have been in it with a draw, but would have needed Ukraine to beat France in Kiev the next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, Jacques Hunt said: Notice that the majority of Scottish flags at 70s games were the royal standard lion rampant? Yes Used historically by the King of Scots Earliest recorded used by Alexander II in 1222 and used until the Union of the Crowns in 1603 Has since been incorporated into the Royal arms of succesive British monarchs to symbolise Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed_Tartan_Army_Yeah Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 11 hours ago, Toepoke said: We'd still have been in it with a draw, but would have needed Ukraine to beat France in Kiev the next week. 11 hours ago, bonny78 said: I had forgotten how bad the foul was on hutton for the italy game. Wtf was it a free kik to them for?? Interesting about the phone call go mclesh. If i remember correctly, a draw was not enough? I remember 4 points being enough before the Georgia game to make the playoffs at least? After losing that it was win or bust against Italy, a draw still wouldn't have guaranteed anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 34 minutes ago, Shed_Tartan_Army_Yeah said: I remember 4 points being enough before the Georgia game to make the playoffs at least? After losing that it was win or bust against Italy, a draw still wouldn't have guaranteed anything. 4 would have been enough. There were no play offs though, top 2 qualified automatically. If we'd won in Georgia and still lost to Italy, we'd have been crossing our fingers that France didn't beat Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 still hard to work out how we didn't qualify from that campaign Millers missed header from 6 yards out to level up away to Ukraine might have done it, Georgia, the ref v italy Scotland 6–0 Faroe Islands Fletcher 7'McFadden 10'Boyd 24' (pen.), 38'Miller 30' (pen.)O'Connor 85' Lithuania 1–2 Scotland Miceika 85' Dailly 46'Miller 62' Scotland 1–0 France Caldwell 67' Ukraine 2–0 Scotland Kucher 60'Shevchenko 90' (pen.) Scotland 2–1 Georgia Boyd 11'Beattie 89' Arveladze 41' Italy 2–0 Scotland Toni 12', 70' Faroe Islands 0–2 Scotland Maloney 31'O'Connor 35' Scotland 3–1 Lithuania Boyd 31'McManus 77'McFadden 83' Danilevičius 61' (pen.) France 0–1 Scotland McFadden 64' Scotland 3–1 Ukraine Miller 4'McCulloch 10'McFadden 68' Shevchenko 24' Georgia 2–0 Scotland Mchedlidze 16'Siradze 64' Scotland 1–2 Italy Ferguson 65' Toni 2'Panucci 90+1' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pca68 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Bino's said: still hard to work out how we didn't qualify from that campaign I think it was because the group contained both World Cup finalists and a Quarter finalist. Question is, would we have performed as well in an 'easier' group. Maybe not - seems to be a Scottish trait to rise to the big occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 See levein saying. " next time id play 2 strikers then ask them to track back" so as to disguise the 4 6 0 from the fans. Unreal. . he really believes in that formation lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Bino's said: still hard to work out how we didn't qualify from that campaign Millers missed header from 6 yards out to level up away to Ukraine might have done it, Georgia, the ref v italy It was a tough group, and to be honest, bar the Lithuania and Ukraine home game (the Ukraine game is certainly the best all round performance from a Scotland team I have seen in my life time were we made easy work of a "top" team like that without breaking a sweat!) we did not particularly play well in most the games..... First game against Faroes we seemed to switch off after going 4 goals up (seem to recall Charlie Nic was VERY critical of the 2nd half performace) and second game against Lithuania we only just scraped through..... France we got the result, but did not follow it up in Kyiv a few days later (a Kenny Miller cross that the keeper misjudged was about our only chance in the game).... Italy in Bari I do not recall us even showing up that night...... then away to the Fareo Islands we were dead on our feet by half time and was only thanks to Craig Gordon that we came away with something in that match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Even if we'd snuck a draw in Ukraine it would've needed at least another point. An admirable effort in a stinker of a group. One more stat for the glorious failure list here: We are the only team to ever win 8 group games and not qualify! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 17 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Yes Used historically by the King of Scots Earliest recorded used by Alexander II in 1222 and used until the Union of the Crowns in 1603 Has since been incorporated into the Royal arms of succesive British monarchs to symbolise Scotland it was Alexanders Grandpa William 1st who first introduced it ,That's why he is called William the Lion. Stirling Castle has a Lions Den, where he kept them, they were brought to Scotland from a crusade around 1180. ( 1st Lions in Scotland?) it was the Pictish boar before that, ........ Interesting fact the Red border around the lion is meant to represent the Fleur de Lyons of France. in recognition of the Auld Alliance, the King of Scots would be protected by the French... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 2 hours ago, stocky said: it was Alexanders Grandpa William 1st who first introduced it ,That's why he is called William the Lion. Maybe so but naebody wrote about him using it .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartanmartin Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 6 hours ago, wanderer said: (the Ukraine game is certainly the best all round performance from a Scotland team I have seen in my life time were we made easy work of a "top" team like that without breaking a sweat!) The crowd were well up for that match though especially after the way their "fans" treated us over there. One of the few anthems that've been booed at Hampden which, again, was a result of the Kiev experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz65 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Ridiculous. We weren't good enough to beat Georgia so there was a UEFA conspiracy to stop us qualifying, even though we'd have gone out with a draw anyway? UEFA didn't seem too bothered when France failed to qualify in 1988, 1992 and 1996, or Italy in 1984. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noctonjock Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 France did qualify in 92 . They were in England's group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 9 hours ago, fraz65 said: Ridiculous. We weren't good enough to beat Georgia so there was a UEFA conspiracy to stop us qualifying, even though we'd have gone out with a draw anyway? UEFA didn't seem too bothered when France failed to qualify in 1988, 1992 and 1996, or Italy in 1984. FFS it was 1990 they failed to qualify. Cannae mind who knocked them out. Oh aye, Mo Johnston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 On 9/9/2016 at 2:38 PM, bonny78 said: See levein saying. " next time id play 2 strikers then ask them to track back" so as to disguise the 4 6 0 from the fans. Unreal. . he really believes in that formation lol So he'd have played 2 players out of position just to hide his shitey tactics. He'll rightly go down as the worst manager Scotland has ever had. 16 hours ago, fraz65 said: Ridiculous. We weren't good enough to beat Georgia so there was a UEFA conspiracy to stop us qualifying, even though we'd have gone out with a draw anyway? UEFA didn't seem too bothered when France failed to qualify in 1988, 1992 and 1996, or Italy in 1984. Agree. And let's not forget Bazza's offside goal. McLeish just mischief-making i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 On Thursday, September 08, 2016 at 10:25 PM, bonny78 said: I had forgotten how bad the foul was on hutton for the italy game. Wtf was it a free kik to them for?? Think there was another dreadful decision just before it, Gary Naysmith (?) barged off the ball, ref gave Italy a throw, they then started the attack that led to the goal. On the subject of foul play, it was interesting to see the selection of Uruguayan challenges from 1986. How did they end up with just 1 red card? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 19 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Think there was another dreadful decision just before it, Gary Naysmith (?) barged off the ball, ref gave Italy a throw, they then started the attack that led to the goal. On the subject of foul play, it was interesting to see the selection of Uruguayan challenges from 1986. How did they end up with just 1 red card? Had never seen the footage of the Uruguay player flipping the finger before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted September 11, 2016 Author Share Posted September 11, 2016 (edited) i love fouls. The Uruguay fouls would be great against England if we happen to be about 3-0 down with only 20 mins left. wham bam ping ping pow etc..(reminds me of Tommy from Goodfellows telling the funny story at the start of the movie) Nothing to lose at that point so we could dish out some Uruguarian style haffs. Edited September 11, 2016 by bonny78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 (edited) That was just pure brutality. Ernie Walker was spot on. Edited September 11, 2016 by DaveyDenoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, DaveyDenoon said: A win in Georgia and we would have qualified regardless of the Italy or France/Ukraine results. As it turned out we would have qualified with those 3 points from Georgia, but France could still have knocked us out by beating Ukraine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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