ErsatzThistle Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Ultra-Unionists in Dumfries and Galloway want to remain part of the UK even if the rest of Scotland one day votes for independence http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-36782522 Quote A group of Dumfries and Galloway councillors is seeking a separate referendum in the region in the event of another Scottish independence vote. A motion has been tabled to the local authority backed by the six independent group members. They said the "overwhelming majority" of people in the region voted to stay in the UK in the referendum of 2014. Their motion will now go before a full meeting of the local authority for consideration. The Dumfries and Galloway Independent Group was formed by a set of councillors who split from the local Conservative group three years ago. Councillor Peter Diggle has proposed the motion, seconded by councillor Ian Carruthers. It has asked for a separate referendum in Dumfries and Galloway on whether or not to remain in the UK - if another vote goes ahead on Scottish independence. They have also suggested that other local authorities in Scotland should follow suit. The move has been dismissed as a "nonsensical stunt" by SNP MP for Dumfries and Galloway Richard Arkless. A report to Dumfries and Galloway Council said there appeared to be no governing legislation in Scotland relating to such matters. However, it said the use of the full electoral register for local referenda was permitted by the Representations of the People (Scotland) Regulations 2001. "This would suggest that there is no legal impediment to holding a local referendum," the report concluded. Surely going by their logic then - Glasgow, Dundee, West Dunbartonshire and North Lanarkshire should declare independence from the UK ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockodile Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 No doubt heartfelt but Scotland is a country. Do they really want to no longer be part of Scotland if the rest of the country did go. I find that incredibly sad. The areas themselves might be sizeable geography wise but population will be tiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 There were similar noises from Orkney and Shetland before 2014. I suppose the talk since the EU referendum has given the impetus for regions to complain about "being dragged out of the UK against our will". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Anyway it's probably best that stuff like this comes to light now and can be regulated against in any future referendum. Imagine Edinburgh voted No and the capital city had the opportunity to opt out of Scotland? !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 38 minutes ago, Toepoke said: There were similar noises from Orkney and Shetland before 2014. I suppose the talk since the EU referendum has given the impetus for regions to complain about "being dragged out of the UK against our will". Another white-noise tactic from rabid Unionists. As you said, a small group of nutcases in the islands banged on about this in 2014. It does, however, get a huge amount of media coverage...and they know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 (edited) Don't think this has legs, but if it is lawful, suppose theoretically it could happen. Nothing different here from earlier this year when the SNP started greeting and threatening after a vote didn't go their way. They have certainly done a job on Scotland. Be interesting to see how it all pans out. But we know the SNP will only "let the people have their say" if it suits their agenda. Edited September 20, 2016 by BlueGaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 10 minutes ago, BlueGaz said: Don't think this has legs, but if it is lawful, suppose theoretically it could happen. Nothing different here from earlier this year when the SNP started greeting and threatening after a vote didn't go their way. They have certainly done a job on Scotland. Be interesting to see how it all pans out. But we know the SNP will only "let the people have their say" if it suits their agenda. I take it the "Blue" in "BlueGaz" is for Rangers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 hour ago, adamntg said: I take it the "Blue" in "BlueGaz" is for Rangers? Could be blue for Tory. Hopefully the direction of travel will be such that when another referendum comes around all the regions of Scotland will be Yes, as was the case in 1997. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I think they might be in for a rude awakening. Off the top of my head I can't think of the area being of much practical use to London; even the novelty factor of getting spliced at Gretna Green would be removed if D&G was no longer part of Scotland. So with due respect, I can't see rUK being all that fussed about the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 It's a load of grandstanding nonsense even putting to one side any dubious arguments on legality. Think about what they are saying, majority of people in D&G voted to stay in the UK, that point at least is true. So in the event of Scotland voting for independence, they want a vote to stay part of the U.K. There's a fundamental problem with that though, in that scenario the UK wouldn't exist anymore, unless they are talking about the United Kingdom of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Dumfries and Galloway, which isn't that snappy. There would still be on the border, they'd just be on the other side of it. If this ever happened the SG should call their bluff and tell them not to let the door hit them on the arse on the way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 29 minutes ago, scotlad said: I think they might be in for a rude awakening. Off the top of my head I can't think of the area being of much practical use to London; even the novelty factor of getting spliced at Gretna Green would be removed if D&G was no longer part of Scotland. So with due respect, I can't see rUK being all that fussed about the region. Does this place offer anything to Scotland? If not, I don't see why we should be dragged down by them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 41 minutes ago, deecie said: Does this place offer anything to Scotland? Cheddar cheese and the boat to Ireland... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Given that the region voted to Remain in the EU - I expect that by their logic they will also be imminently bringing forward a D&G referendum to remain in the EU. If not, then they should be highlighted for the sham that they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 3 hours ago, adamntg said: I take it the "Blue" in "BlueGaz" is for Rangers? 2 hours ago, Toepoke said: Could be blue for Tory. Hopefully the direction of travel will be such that when another referendum comes around all the regions of Scotland will be Yes, as was the case in 1997. Insert whatever floats your boat !!!!!! My football supporting has absolutely no link to my political views. If I think it is in mine and others best interest, I will vote SNP. And still support Rangers. Like others who work for the party. I feel quite fortunate that I can distinguish between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 This is just a couple of Tory councillors of whom nobody has ever heard, masquerading as "independents" ironically, trying to get themselves some publicity. Absolutely no way people here in D&G would support this daft idea. The story is being pushed strongly by the unionist media but really it's a non-story. Same sort of thing as that demand for an apology from Joanna Cherry because she was at a show where a lesbian used a slang term for lesbian - note Cherry didn't use the word herself but was merely in the audience when it was used. A complete non-story that only has legs because it can be spun in a ridiculous contortion as SNP bad. Our mainstream media are a disgrace, and I include the BBC in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoofitharder Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 This is just tosh surly there would have been areas in D&G that voted yes so would these areas stay part of scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 3 hours ago, deecie said: Does this place offer anything to Scotland? If not, I don't see why we should be dragged down by them. 2 hours ago, Toepoke said: Cheddar cheese and the boat to Ireland... And the Gretna Gateway Village and Palmerston Park (which is quite a nice wee ground, IMHO). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 2 hours ago, BlueGaz said: Insert whatever floats your boat !!!!!! My football supporting has absolutely no link to my political views. If I think it is in mine and others best interest, I will vote SNP. And still support Rangers. Like others who work for the party. I feel quite fortunate that I can distinguish between the two. You're right. There's no commonality between supporting Rangers, hating the SNP and feeling "British". What was I thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuNsTeR Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 3 hours ago, adamntg said: You're right. There's no commonality between supporting Rangers, hating the SNP and feeling "British". What was I thinking? give it a bye ... i know loads of Rangers supporters that voted Yes and vote SNP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 51 minutes ago, FuNsTeR said: give it a bye ... i know loads of Rangers supporters that voted Yes and vote SNP Me too. I also know many who voted No and hate everything about the SNP. More than for any other demographic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 9 hours ago, BlueGaz said: Insert whatever floats your boat !!!!!! My football supporting has absolutely no link to my political views. If I think it is in mine and others best interest, I will vote SNP. And still support Rangers. Like others who work for the party. I feel quite fortunate that I can distinguish between the two. ^^ Defenite Tory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 18 hours ago, adamntg said: You're right. There's no commonality between supporting Rangers, hating the SNP and feeling "British". What was I thinking? Mate, accept my explanation or don't accept it, makes no odds to me. You asked a question, I answered it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 11 hours ago, iainmac1 said: ^^ Defenite Tory ^^Typical TAMBer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 1 hour ago, BlueGaz said: Mate, accept my explanation or don't accept it, makes no odds to me. You asked a question, I answered it. Did I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 1 minute ago, adamntg said: Did I? Seeing a pattern here. Yes you did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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