delboy109 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 5 minutes ago, fraz65 said: A dour, un-inspirational ex-player who failed in his most recent appointment at a high-profile midlands club, with no prior international pedigree as a manager. There are a few similarities. As i've stated previously though, even Sir Alex wouldn't qualify our current squad for a World Cup. The Euros are a different matter- with the right draw and a bit of good fortune Strachan would probably manage qualification to the expanded tournament, so it's possible Lambert or an alternative choice would achieve it. How would Strachan manage it? He didn't last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alt-Del Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 1 minute ago, fraz65 said: A dour, un-inspirational ex-player who failed in his most recent appointment at a high-profile midlands club, with no prior international pedigree as a manager. There are a few similarities. As i've stated previously though, even Sir Alex wouldn't qualify our current squad for a World Cup. The Euros are a different matter- with the right draw and a bit of good fortune Strachan would probably manage qualification to the expanded tournament, so it's possible Lambert or an alternative choice would achieve it. So you'd be OK with Lambert, aye? And if you're comparing Levein's time at Leicester with Lambert's at AV (quite apart from the rest of their careers), you really have lost the plot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Toffee Trafficker Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I really enjoyed watching the team under Big Eck's tenure; he didn't mind playing two up front. He did do a Judas which was shit but he was only 48 at the time. He's older now and he's has had a tough few years lately, maybe he would appreciate it more now. For me, it's either Big Eck or Kenny, although I doubt Dalglish would take it now, maybe he might have after his spell at Liverpool, but I doubt it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz65 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just now, delboy109 said: How would Strachan manage it? He didn't last time. We were in one of the harder groups for 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz65 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, Alt-Del said: So you'd be OK with Lambert, aye? And if you're comparing Levein's time at Leicester with Lambert's at AV (quite apart from the rest of their careers), you really have lost the plot. I don't really know or remember all that much about either manager's spell in England to be honest, only the occasional viewing of a dreadful Villa side on MOTD, although he did sign Benteke. "Lost the plot" is a bit harsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy109 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 7 minutes ago, fraz65 said: We were in one of the harder groups for 2016. We'll probably be in a harder group because our seeding will probably be lower because Strachan is hopeless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz65 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just now, delboy109 said: We'll probably be in a harder group because our seeding will probably be lower because Strachan is hopeless. It's possible. Why does the ability of the squad always escape censure when past failures are being discussed? I'm uneasy with the knee-jerk reaction of blaming the manager every two years. Is it too difficult to admit that the squad has been poor for 20-plus years and only likely to get worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 To be fair to Lambert, I think he left Norwich far to early and yes his Villa tenure was crap but so was Di Matteo who had won a European cup so maybe Lambert isn't a bad manager after all. I am now warming to him being gaffer with Joe Jordan as assistant plus one other, preferebly McAllister. I am surprised Joe Jordan hasn't been touted, he is nearly ALWAYS high up in the betting odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alt-Del Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, fraz65 said: I don't really know or remember all that much about either manager's spell in England to be honest, only the occasional viewing of a dreadful Villa side on MOTD, although he did sign Benteke. "Lost the plot" is a bit harsh. Don't think it is... there's no planet on which Lambert is even vaguely comparable to Levein... especially on the planet where we need a manager pronto who might stop this descending into all-time humiliation territory... What Lambert did in his three years at Norwich are something no current Scottish manager has on their CV and Villa -- like Sunderland -- is a graveyard for managers. Levein had moderate success at Hearts, then bombed at Leicester... and ended up doing the near impossible, taking us lower than Vogts and Burley had done. Strachan's done, so if not Lambert... who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 4 hours ago, Shaun said: To be fair to Lambert, I think he left Norwich far to early and yes his Villa tenure was crap but so was Di Matteo who had won a European cup so maybe Lambert isn't a bad manager after all. I am now warming to him being gaffer with Joe Jordan as assistant plus one other, preferebly McAllister. I am surprised Joe Jordan hasn't been touted, he is nearly ALWAYS high up in the betting odds. On the other hand Lamberts spell with Blackburn didn't last long after Villa. He did a good job at Colchester and Norwich at first but his recent record is not as strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz65 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 4 hours ago, Alt-Del said: Don't think it is... there's no planet on which Lambert is even vaguely comparable to Levein... especially on the planet where we need a manager pronto who might stop this descending into all-time humiliation territory... What Lambert did in his three years at Norwich are something no current Scottish manager has on their CV and Villa -- like Sunderland -- is a graveyard for managers. Levein had moderate success at Hearts, then bombed at Leicester... and ended up doing the near impossible, taking us lower than Vogts and Burley had done. Strachan's done, so if not Lambert... who? I'm no fan of Levein's but he did well at Dundee United and has now had two successful spells at Hearts. Lambert lasted six months at Blackburn, with a 36% win ratio. He left Norwich in 2012 and has been a failure since. I'm not convinced he would be any better than Strachan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Levein's defences were certainly much better organised than we have been recently. Getting someone in who can do that should be the priority... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 9 hours ago, Rossy said: I'd rather have Strachan than that bellend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennyal Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 After hearing last nights press conference Strachan isn't going anywhere. He firmly believes we will get the results to finish 2nd but I can't see it, we never looked like scoring tonight and that first half against Lithuania was one of the dullest in memory, it was so bad it compares to Serbia a few years ago, dull. He will soldier on i fear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Bennyal said: After hearing last nights press conference Strachan isn't going anywhere. He firmly believes we will get the results to finish 2nd but I can't see it, we never looked like scoring tonight and that first half against Lithuania was one of the dullest in memory, it was so bad it compares to Serbia a few years ago, dull. He will soldier on i fear 100% agree. He'll trot out the 'we're only three points behind top' bullshit to hang on, whilst forgetting to mention we'll most likely have to win every remaining fixture to even have a chance of finishing second. If we get another manager, it might be true he'll do no better, but i would like someone who does the simple stuff right, like playing players who are on form ahead of others who are even struggling for game time/goals Edited October 12, 2016 by Bobby Russell's Lovechild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) Changing the manager won't make much of a difference. We don't have the players to make an impact at international level and we won't until our domestic game changes substantially so that better players are produced. Edited October 12, 2016 by biffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, biffer said: Changing the manager won't make much of a difference. We don't have the players to make an impact at international level and we won't until our domestic game changes substantially so that better players are produced. Maybe not, but the least that is expected of a manager is to pick the right players and in their correct positions which Strachan is not able to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, biffer said: Changing the manager won't make much of a difference. We don't have the players to make an impact at international level and we won't until our domestic game changes substantially so that better players are produced. The domestic game is irrelevant. It doesn't seem to impact on either of the Ireland's or many other sides around Europe changing the manager will make a difference as long a Scotland the new manager is willing to play the right players and get th best out of what we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ak91 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Alex Neil would be my choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 14 minutes ago, Ak91 said: Alex Neil would be my choice Not a chance he'd be interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Someone who can tell the players that it's not the best idea to leave strikers standing in the box with nobody near them would be a good start. Maybe the new man can also relay the message to our captain that he doesn't have to stand and watch a player in light years of space right in front of goal, but that he can do something radical like track back and cover, maybe even put a challenge in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjm007 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I think its time for a total outsider with no baggage - there are plenty of players not even making the squad who play in England and Scotland who WGS has fallen out with or won't even give half a chance and it's hurting us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ak91 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 3 hours ago, Diego10 said: Not a chance he'd be interested. It's a sad state of affairs that this would probably be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz7 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 we need an outsider with as others say has no old pals act. strachan is also i feel always thinking of the players and their clubs and doesnt want to tire them out if not playing,scared to bring them if their not going to play etc i know i will be in minority but apart from centre backs which is a very important position i think we have loads of options of players. all this needing a striker as a focal point is ok if you have great players round about him but we only have good players not great so we need players with goal threat who score goals and our main 2 were not given full games there griffiths/burke why oh why/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 15 hours ago, JamDav1982 said: Collins ends up hated by the players of clubs he is at. Need a set up players look forward going away to not another arrogant twat like Collins. Aye because he makes them train, gets them fit and tries to impose a professuonal lifestyle regime on them instead of letting them feck off to the bookies then get pissed. Poor wee darlings. Like him or loathe him, if anyone in Scotland has the experience of how footballers should live and train and work hard to become the best they possibly can, then it is Collins. I don't give a toss if he is arrogant or not. If he is, then he has good reason to be. But I'm not sure he'd be right for Scotland as you can't impose what needs to be imposed as an international manager and he'd be immensely frustrated and unable to work with some of the unfit dross that turns up in a Scotland trackie every few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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