euan2020 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) should give him a chance (griffiths)- David Healy hardly set the heather on fire at club level but scored 36 intl goals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Healy_(footballer) Kyle fanny Lafferty has also knocked in a lot of intl goals (19) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Lafferty Edited October 18, 2016 by euan2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Boyd Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) Kenny has always been a big game player. Scored a winner against Man Utd and a last minute equalizer against Liverpool in the same season for Wolves (both happened when he was played through the middle). Unfortunately spent a lot of his time in the epl stuck out wide on the right. Scored against Galatasaray in the Turkish League. He has scored 9 goals in Old Firm matches. He has also scored goals in the Champions League proper for both Rangers and Celtic including a double against Benfica. Scored 18 goals for Scotland including against Germany, Italy, England, Ukraine, Norway and Austria. Played in an English League Cup Final. Top scorer for Wolves for 3 seasons in the championship, scoring 20 or more goals in 2 of those seasons. Has had two 20+ goal seasons in the SPL. Holds the SPL record for most goals scored in a match (4 inside the 1st 32 minutes). He is currently in good form and we simply do not have anyone in his position who comes even close to his pedigree. Now is the time to win games, not experiment with strikers unproven at international level. If that means calling up someone who is has proven he can do the business at that level who just happens to be playing some of the best football of his career to give us a better chance to get a result in just one game then it is the right call IMHO. This is not a time to build for the future, it is all about getting points now to help us to qualify for the world cup. Roger Milla scored 4 goals in the world cup finals at 38 and returned 4 years later to score again. Kenny is younger at 36 and is jumping out of his skin at the moment, probably fitter than any of our current strikers. Edited October 19, 2016 by Kris Boyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Boyd Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 On 10/17/2016 at 2:38 AM, girvanTA said: The best players should be picked but Kenny Miller? No chance! Hutton shouldn't be near that squad either, nor Gordon greer. You mentioned Griffiths isn't international class? What is exactly? What is international class? Kenny Miller.......... see my post above for proof. 12 hours ago, girvanTA said: Absolute drivel! Kenny Miller should be nowhere near the squad. To even consider him is a backwards move when we should be looking to get rid of the deadwood thats already there. If anything Kenny Miller is a poor man's Leigh Griffiths Poor man's Leigh Griffiths 10 hours ago, girvanTA said: Honestly this thread has become embarrassing. Calls for the return of Kenny Miller while calling Leigh Griffiths not information class had became bewildering The only thing embarrassing on this thread is your post above. Poor man's Leigh Griffiths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Boyd Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 12 hours ago, vanderark14 said: I'm not sure why anyone would say Griffiths is not international class, we have seen enough of him in a Scotland shirt to determine this. He's done the business for his club and deserves the chance. As for Kenny Miller, I'd have a one legged KM over chris martin any day of the week but his days are gone. We should be calling up Rhodes, McCormack, Griffiths, Naismith and S.Fletcher as our forwards Agree that Griffiths deserves a chance but because he is unproven I would prefer to see him get his chance to start, against decent opposition in a friendly (ideally), to see how gets on. Malta at Hampden would be a good game for him but may not tell us as much. The Lithuania game would have been a good shout for Leigh to start. But to throw him into such an important match (England) when he is unproven would be too big of a gamble IMO. Outside of Miller it would have to be Naismith or Fletcher. Miller with Naismith behind him in the hole flanked by Maloney and Anya would be my preference with Fletcher coming on later in the game for Miller. It may seem like a contradiction to say that Griffiths is not international class and then say he deserves a chance. For the record, I recognize that my opinion is not always right and I would be thrilled if Griffiths proved me wrong. To be fair, on his club form he deserves a chance. Just don't want to take the gamble in such a big match because he is unproven and I have my doubts about his ability to reproduce his club form at this level. Points are there for the taking against England if we get our selection and tactics right. Kenny has proven himself at this level, he is fit, in great form and IMO is arguably the best we've got. Appreciate your compliment to a "Rangers Player" in the comparison to Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Boyd Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) On 10/17/2016 at 2:38 AM, girvanTA said: The best players should be picked but Kenny Miller? No chance! Hutton shouldn't be near that squad either, nor Gordon greer. You mentioned Griffiths isn't international class? What is exactly? Erm......... somebody who has scored against Italy, Germany and England and is presently fit and playing some of the best football of his career? Who could that be??? Edited October 19, 2016 by Kris Boyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Kris Boyd said: Agree that Griffiths deserves a chance but because he is unproven I would prefer to see him get his chance to start, against decent opposition in a friendly (ideally), to see how gets on. Malta at Hampden would be a good game for him but may not tell us as much. The Lithuania game would have been a good shout for Leigh to start. But to throw him into such an important match (England) when he is unproven would be too big of a gamble IMO. Outside of Miller it would have to be Naismith or Fletcher. Miller with Naismith behind him in the hole flanked by Maloney and Anya would be my preference with Fletcher coming on later in the game for Miller. It may seem like a contradiction to say that Griffiths is not international class and then say he deserves a chance. For the record, I recognize that my opinion is not always right and I would be thrilled if Griffiths proved me wrong. To be fair, on his club form he deserves a chance. Just don't want to take the gamble in such a big match because he is unproven and I have my doubts about his ability to reproduce his club form at this level. Points are there for the taking against England if we get our selection and tactics right. Kenny has proven himself at this level, he is fit, in great form and IMO is arguably the best we've got. Appreciate your compliment to a "Rangers Player" in the comparison to Martin Now who's bringing clubs into it, i know it's hard for you to believe but I really couldn't care less which clubs our players play for. time for you to let this lie and start acting like an adult. kenny miller has scored against great opposition when he was in his prime, he's retired from the international game and is nowhere near the player he was. He would do a better job than Martin but so would I because Martin is garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanTA Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 6 hours ago, Kris Boyd said: What is international class? Kenny Miller.......... see my post above for proof. Poor man's Leigh Griffiths The only thing embarrassing on this thread is your post above. Poor man's Leigh Griffiths It's all about opinions mate. You keep mentioning goals v Italy, Germany and England Germany 2003, Italy 2005 and England was a friendly in 2013 Nothing like living in the past. Oh dear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Paul Lambert won a European cup and has played at a World Cup, get him in the team, he's only 5 years older than Roger miller was at the '94 World Cup. Kenny Miller was a great servant (excuse dreadful cliche) for Scotland, but let's be honest, in his prime he was more effort than ability. Leigh Griffiths is a similar player and most would agree a better finisher. Give Leigh Griffiths 60 starts for Scotland and judge him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanTA Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 34 minutes ago, sbcmfc said: Paul Lambert won a European cup and has played at a World Cup, get him in the team, he's only 5 years older than Roger miller was at the '94 World Cup. Kenny Miller was a great servant (excuse dreadful cliche) for Scotland, but let's be honest, in his prime he was more effort than ability. Leigh Griffiths is a similar player and most would agree a better finisher. Give Leigh Griffiths 60 starts for Scotland and judge him. Exactly this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustroSchotte Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I think we're clutching at straws here..Griffiths, Maloney Fletcher and Naismith is enough firepower for us in fact I'm sure with a bit more gumption and better coordination we could have scored more against Lithu and registered a few against the Slovaks quite comfortably with those players (and us being on Form). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geed Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 On Kenny Misser all am going to say is just naw, if anyone wants him back in Scotland squad you are on drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 On 18/10/2016 at 0:41 PM, Chits And Pieces said: Or just play the striker we have who is banging them in for his club and isn't 36 years old? Correct 13 hours ago, Orraloon said: Have folk forgotten that Kenny Miller once played over 1000 consecutive minutes for Scotland without scoring a goal? Still better than Martin or Fletcher though. Kenny miller is better than messi though 10 hours ago, Kris Boyd said: Kenny has always been a big game player. Scored a winner against Man Utd and a last minute equalizer against Liverpool in the same season for Wolves (both happened when he was played through the middle). Unfortunately spent a lot of his time in the epl stuck out wide on the right. Scored against Galatasaray in the Turkish League. He has scored 9 goals in Old Firm matches. He has also scored goals in the Champions League proper for both Rangers and Celtic including a double against Benfica. Scored 18 goals for Scotland including against Germany, Italy, England, Ukraine, Norway and Austria. Played in an English League Cup Final. Top scorer for Wolves for 3 seasons in the championship, scoring 20 or more goals in 2 of those seasons. Has had two 20+ goal seasons in the SPL. Holds the SPL record for most goals scored in a match (4 inside the 1st 32 minutes). He is currently in good form and we simply do not have anyone in his position who comes even close to his pedigree. Now is the time to win games, not experiment with strikers unproven at international level. If that means calling up someone who is has proven he can do the business at that level who just happens to be playing some of the best football of his career to give us a better chance to get a result in just one game then it is the right call IMHO. This is not a time to build for the future, it is all about getting points now to help us to qualify for the world cup. Roger Milla scored 4 goals in the world cup finals at 38 and returned 4 years later to score again. Kenny is younger at 36 and is jumping out of his skin at the moment, probably fitter than any of our current strikers. FULL OF GLUE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Boyd Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 21 hours ago, vanderark14 said: Now who's bringing clubs into it, i know it's hard for you to believe but I really couldn't care less which clubs our players play for. time for you to let this lie and start acting like an adult. kenny miller has scored against great opposition when he was in his prime, he's retired from the international game and is nowhere near the player he was. He would do a better job than Martin but so would I because Martin is garbage. It was a joke mate, that is why I used the emoticon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Boyd Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 15 hours ago, Kirk said: Correct Kenny miller is better than messi though FULL OF GLUE Exactly what part of what I said justifies the statement "Full of Glue"? A listing of facts regarding KM's career? Other factual statements regarding our present situation, KM's pedigree in comparison to our other strikers, his current form and level of fitness or a factual statement regarding Roger Milla? So which of these statements justify your response? If your opinion is different on who should start up front then just say it. However, to call someone "full of glue" for making a series of factual statements just makes it look like you lack the intellect required to put together an intelligent argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Kris Boyd said: Exactly what part of what I said justifies the statement "Full of Glue"? A listing of facts regarding KM's career? Other factual statements regarding our present situation, KM's pedigree in comparison to our other strikers, his current form and level of fitness or a factual statement regarding Roger Milla? So which of these statements justify your response? If your opinion is different on who should start up front then just say it. However, to call someone "full of glue" for making a series of factual statements just makes it look like you lack the intellect required to put together an intelligent argument. 2 hours ago, Kris Boyd said: Exactly what part of what I said justifies the statement "Full of Glue"? A listing of facts regarding KM's career? Other factual statements regarding our present situation, KM's pedigree in comparison to our other strikers, his current form and level of fitness or a factual statement regarding Roger Milla? So which of these statements justify your response? If your opinion is different on who should start up front then just say it. However, to call someone "full of glue" for making a series of factual statements just makes it look like you lack the intellect required to put together an intelligent argument. I reckon he thinks you're full of glue because you think we should call up Kenny Miller, nothing to do with your factual statements. Just a hunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 On 20/10/2016 at 8:31 AM, vanderark14 said: I reckon he thinks you're full of glue because you think we should call up Kenny Miller, nothing to do with your factual statements. Just a hunch Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 On 16/10/2016 at 11:02 AM, fringo said: I agree. The single biggest position we've lacked in is a half decent goalscorer. Well we do have mr thumb you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 1 hour ago, bonny78 said: Well we do have mr thumb you know? The Celtic bench warmer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Best player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 He really pushed his case today. Did he actually play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyMiller Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Kenny was fantastic today. His effort, touch, footballing brain and finishing is still worth a call up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 9 minutes ago, KennyMiller said: Kenny was fantastic today. His effort, touch, footballing brain and finishing is still worth a call up. Not it's not, he's not that good anymore and he's also retired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 I reckon Kenny Miller is about as good as any of the other striking options we have... Which is not very good. Leigh griffiths came on for Miller at Wembley and made the team decidedly worse. He looked totally lost at that level. Admittedly that was a few years ago but not sure he is that great tbh. I'd give him a run but I would not be expecting much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 If people are touting a retired old kenny miller for a call up, we have truly hit new depths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Yes, we have. This is about as bad as it ever has been in my life time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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