Caledonian Craig Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Just now, ParisInAKilt said: Fair enough but it comes across as personal when you're talking about rewinding Millers career I am sure we'd all love to rewind certain player's careers or lives to slot them back into our ailing side. No harm in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 7 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: I am sure we'd all love to rewind certain player's careers or lives to slot them back into our ailing side. No harm in that. Aye but you're doing it to have a dig at a player you don't rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 16 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Aye but you're doing it to have a dig at a player you don't rate. Someone earlier said they would take Miller over Martin which you didn't have a problem with or pick that person up on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 9 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Someone earlier said they would take Miller over Martin which you didn't have a problem with or pick that person up on. Just read it there. Aye not a great suggestion either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Just now, ParisInAKilt said: Just read it there. Aye not a great suggestion either. In any case the point I was making was not have a 36 year old Miller in as his time is over - no doubt. However, if had the chance of a goalscorer of his ilk now then I'd take him over Griffiths, Fletcher, Martin or Naismith or anyone else available for us just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Totally respect miller for the commitment he has given us over the years. He is one of the few who would run his socks off every game he played but I don't think he has enough in his tank now for international games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Boyd Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I'd take Miller in a heartbeat for the England game if his form continues. He has always said that he would answer the call if really needed. Was always a fan of Strachan but fear he has totally lost the plot recently. Time for him to get back to the players who have performed at international level before. I'd be happy with Miller up top with Maloney, Naismith and Anya playing in behind him. Maloney was our best player last campaign, Naismith has been involved in 2 games recently for Norwich and scored in both. Griffiths is not, nor will he ever be international class. Snodgrass needs to get back to his pre injury form and Burke is still a bit raw but with a lot of potential for the future. Would be happy to see Mulgrew back in the squad over Greer, Bardsley included as one of our full backs. Not sure about Charlie Adam's current form? Dissapointed Brown is no longer available.The best players should always be picked. How Martin starts and Naismith does not even make the bench, I'll never understand. Good players can come in and do a job even if they have not been playing week in, week out. Hutton is an example of this. He had some decent performances for us when he was out of the Villa team (not talking about his disastrous performance against Poland away). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanTA Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 4 hours ago, Kris Boyd said: I'd take Miller in a heartbeat for the England game if his form continues. He has always said that he would answer the call if really needed. Was always a fan of Strachan but fear he has totally lost the plot recently. Time for him to get back to the players who have performed at international level before. I'd be happy with Miller up top with Maloney, Naismith and Anya playing in behind him. Maloney was our best player last campaign, Naismith has been involved in 2 games recently for Norwich and scored in both. Griffiths is not, nor will he ever be international class. Snodgrass needs to get back to his pre injury form and Burke is still a bit raw but with a lot of potential for the future. Would be happy to see Mulgrew back in the squad over Greer, Bardsley included as one of our full backs. Not sure about Charlie Adam's current form? Dissapointed Brown is no longer available.The best players should always be picked. How Martin starts and Naismith does not even make the bench, I'll never understand. Good players can come in and do a job even if they have not been playing week in, week out. Hutton is an example of this. He had some decent performances for us when he was out of the Villa team (not talking about his disastrous performance against Poland away). The best players should be picked but Kenny Miller? No chance! Hutton shouldn't be near that squad either, nor Gordon greer. You mentioned Griffiths isn't international class? What is exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris2501 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Get him called up and into the starting line up. Him and Griffiths would do the business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed_Tartan_Army_Yeah Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 But he cant defend set pieces and isn't 6'9 so he wont get picked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottincarlisle Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 On 16/10/2016 at 11:39 AM, fringo said: But have you made yourself known to the Scotland managers? They maybe don't know you're out there ? Course they do, years of pestering them, then came the restraining order....end of career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Boyd Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 16 hours ago, girvanTA said: The best players should be picked but Kenny Miller? No chance! Hutton shouldn't be near that squad either, nor Gordon greer. You mentioned Griffiths isn't international class? What is exactly? All about opinions mate, I would start Miller over Martin every day of the week. What is international class? Someone who has already proven themselves against decent international or Champions League opposition! Miller, Naismith and Fletcher have proven that they can score goals at this level. Fletcher v Poland, Naismith against Spain, Poland and others, Miller..... too many to mention, his goal against England (not that long ago) was class, turned his marker inside out before finishing brilliantly. Who has Griffiths ever scored against that you could say was decent opposition at this level. He is a decent SPL striker who can score regularly at that level when he is playing for a team that creates a ton of chances against far weaker opposition. IMHO he is not a guy who will be able to replicate that against decent/good International or Champions League opposition. I would play Naismith in the hole against England with Miller and Fletcher sharing the 90 minutes up top. Maloney on the right of Naismith and Anya on the left. Naismith and Maloney with the freedom to switch positions as they wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 6 hours ago, Kris Boyd said: All about opinions mate, I would start Miller over Martin every day of the week. What is international class? Someone who has already proven themselves against decent international or Champions League opposition! Miller, Naismith and Fletcher have proven that they can score goals at this level. Fletcher v Poland, Naismith against Spain, Poland and others, Miller..... too many to mention, his goal against England (not that long ago) was class, turned his marker inside out before finishing brilliantly. Who has Griffiths ever scored against that you could say was decent opposition at this level. He is a decent SPL striker who can score regularly at that level when he is playing for a team that creates a ton of chances against far weaker opposition. IMHO he is not a guy who will be able to replicate that against decent/good International or Champions League opposition. I would play Naismith in the hole against England with Miller and Fletcher sharing the 90 minutes up top. Maloney on the right of Naismith and Anya on the left. Naismith and Maloney with the freedom to switch positions as they wanted. Miller couldn't cut it against EPL standard defenders a decade ago. If he had been able to do so, he would have carved himself a career down there. There's zero chance that he will do it against them now when he is past his peak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotsdeutsch Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 The bizarre thing about Miller is from watching him recently-it genuinely looks as if he is playing some of the best football of his career...at 36. Roger Milla played at a World Cup 94 at 42 so I say miller should get a call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chits And Pieces Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Or just play the striker we have who is banging them in for his club and isn't 36 years old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartacus Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Regarding strikers for Scotland it must be hard for Strachan to pick one. Griffiths was considered a trouble causer a while back wasn't he? Maybe a great scorer for Celtic but is he top level international quality? Can't be or a big English club would be after him. A poor man's Kenny Miller? Martin is slow and not as tough and adept as a target man really needs to be. He hardly bullied the Lithuania defence? Rhodes is seen as pointless unless he scores and would he get enough chances at international level to score? Naismith knocking on a bit and was never an out and out forward? Burke is too young and needs to develop? Fletcher has bouts of club form but often messes up for Scotland (the strange attempt at a headed goal v Slovakia). McCormack is small but is decent at holding the ball but not really a lone striker? Would it be better to play 2 out and out forwards and get the ball forward more directly? I think Scotland do miss Kenny Miller's enthusiasm and pace. He always seemed to be right up for Scotland duty. Too old now to bring him back surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanTA Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 13 hours ago, Kris Boyd said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanTA Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Absolute drivel! Kenny Miller should be nowhere near the squad. To even consider him is a backwards move when we should be looking to get rid of the deadwood thats already there. If anything Kenny Miller is a poor man's Leigh Griffiths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 I'm not sure why anyone would say Griffiths is not international class, we have seen enough of him in a Scotland shirt to determine this. He's done the business for his club and deserves the chance. As for Kenny Miller, I'd have a one legged KM over chris martin any day of the week but his days are gone. We should be calling up Rhodes, McCormack, Griffiths, Naismith and S.Fletcher as our forwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyMiller Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Superb striker for Scotland. Feel that Griffiths is the future - has all the same attributes but I believe takes even more chances. Hope he starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustroSchotte Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 26 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: We should be calling up Rhodes, McCormack, Griffiths, Naismith and S.Fletcher as our forwards Perfect ! But what is the point with a failing manager who is probably bewildering the players as much as the fans....ho-hum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 32 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: I'm not sure why anyone would say Griffiths is not international class, we have seen enough of him in a Scotland shirt to determine this. He's done the business for his club and deserves the chance. As for Kenny Miller, I'd have a one legged KM over chris martin any day of the week but his days are gone. We should be calling up Rhodes, McCormack, Griffiths, Naismith and S.Fletcher as our forwards that should say we haven't seen enough of Griffiths in a Scotland shirt to determine this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 "Griffiths isn't international class" An odd criticism when arguably most of our squad isn't, certainly not playing like it for nearly 2 years now. Its a simple game. Play your best team and formation to win as many points as possible. Griffiths has to be given a chance as our main forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanTA Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Honestly this thread has become embarrassing. Calls for the return of Kenny Miller while calling Leigh Griffiths not information class had became bewildering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Have folk forgotten that Kenny Miller once played over 1000 consecutive minutes for Scotland without scoring a goal? Still better than Martin or Fletcher though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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