2 Months Since The Vote

[ParisInAKilt]

I'm still YES

"A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right & evil doesn't become good just because its accepted by a majority"

I'm still YES

[Parklife]

I was thinking the other day (dangerous, i know) about how folks views have changed since the vote.

How many No's would now be Yes and vice-versa.

I'd like to think that Westminster's campaign being exposed as being built on lies and false promises would have turned swathes of people from No to Yes. In reality however, i don't think most No voters gave a shite about the lies the BT campaign spouted. I believe most of them are of an "i'm alright, Jack" mentality. They're happy with their own cosy wee lives and everyone else can go and fvck themselves.

[ParisInAKilt]

I'd like to think that Westminster's campaign being exposed as being built on lies and false promises would have turned swathes of people from No to Yes. In reality however, i don't think most No voters gave a shite about the lies the BT campaign spouted. I believe most of them are of an "i'm alright, Jack" mentality. They're happy with their own cosy wee lives and everyone else can go and flip themselves.

I think the outcome made a lot of us realise that there's a lot more people like this than we hoped.

My mate is a classic example, while I'll never agree with his no vote, his "now we're secure in the union I can go back to voting Labour and call myself left wing" is almost infuriating

[Haggis_trap]

Most folk have no idea about politics....
Nor do they really care - because their quiet life is generally "OK"
It is telling there was no celebration when we voted NO.

As someone posted on here - the silent majority of NO voters are sat at home watching the x factor.
Apathetic and scared of change.

[Armchair Bob]

There has been at least two polls since (see scot goes pop). The first shows a slim majority for yes. The second uses a new methodology of weighting by recalled referendum vote, from memory this show a small move to yes in the range of about 3%, but not enough for a majority.

It seems that there are not hordes of disgusted and disappointed no voters out there instantly regretting their decision.

The bigger news is the astonishing polling for Westminster 2015 the SNP are getting and the related collapse of Labour's vote. It may be the 45 are coalescing around the SNP, it may even be that no voters think that, with the independence issue parked for a good few years at least, an SNP vote is now the most effective way of keeping Scotland on Westminster's radar and gaining the promised extra devo powers.

[Haggis_trap]

^ 45% might not be enough to win a referendum, but it would be huge in a general election.

SNP returning 40 MPs from Scotland would be brilliant.

for comparison the torys only have 32% of vote.

[brant grebner]

Still Yes.

Will never understand how anyone voted No and can call themselves Scottish.

Spoke to someone who did just that on Monday - hadn't spoken to them since the referendum.

"Are you going to the England game?"

" off you no-voting face cúnt"

end of conversation

[Flora MaDonald]

Perfectly fair and reasonable, Mr. Grebner.

[ZoltanBuchan]

I was thinking the other day (dangerous, i know) about how folks views have changed since the vote.

How many No's would now be Yes and vice-versa.

I can only speak about people I know, but quite of few of my friends and family who were Undecideds, and only swung to Yes weeks, or in one case 2 days, before the actual vote are now massively pro-independence, and will be voting SNP for the first time in next year's General Election. With the SNP currently polling record leads for both Westminster and Holyrood, it looks like this trend may be nationwide.

I'm a natural pessimist, but I'm really optimistic about the future of the vote for pro-independence parties at the moment

If you read any of the 'Scottish' broadsheets at the moment, the letters pages are full of complaints along the lines of "Why can't they accept they lost and shut up about it?" The three main Westminster parties clearly thought that the No vote would kill the independence movement stone dead, but if anything it's actually further energised it!

Edited November 20, 2014 by ZoltanBuchan

[hampden_loon2878]

That has been my experience, one freind in Particular stands out, he was undecided until the day before but voted yes, he said after he voted he was not that bothered.when the result came through he said to me"i cant believe how gutted i am i wasnt that bothered before the vote" maybe a case of wanting somthing more that you cant get

I can only speak about people I know, but quite of few of my friends and family who were Undecideds, and only swung to Yes weeks, or in one case 2 days, before the actual vote are now massively pro-independence, and will be voting SNP for the first time in next year's General Election. With the SNP currently polling record leads for both Westminster and Holyrood, it looks like this trend may be nationwide.

I'm a natural pessimist, but I'm really optimistic about the future of the vote for pro-independence parties at the moment

If you read any of the 'Scottish' broadsheets at the moment, the letters pages are full of complaints along the lines of "Why can't they accept they lost and shut up about it?" The three main Westminster parties clearly thought that the No vote would kill the independence movement stone dead, but if anything it's actually further energised it!

[Watsoniansfan]

I'm still a No and don't regret voting no. Not one one iota. Neither does anyone else that I know who voted No.

I don't care about the Vow, that didn't swing my vote in the slightest as I don't even want more Devo. That's not what won the day. I voted No because I wanted to remain British and the white paper was an uncosted wishlist that relied heavily (and unrealistically) on the goodwill of the state we would have been breaking away from.

And no "I'm allright Jack" here. Remaining in the UK is not just good for me but for all of Scotland in my book.

Even if somehow the tables have turned since the vote, it's too late anyway. Per the Edinburgh Agreement, this has been settled for a generation.

[Flure]

It was in the Edinburgh Agreement that a "No" vote meant no more referenda "for a generation"?

[ParisInAKilt]

I voted No because I wanted to remain British.

Never fails to sadden me when I see this given as a reason, usually followed by we couldn't afford it anyway

[Rossy]

I'm still a No and don't regret voting no. Not one one iota. Neither does anyone else that I know who voted No.

I don't care about the Vow, that didn't swing my vote in the slightest as I don't even want more Devo. That's not what won the day. I voted No because I wanted to remain British and the white paper was an uncosted wishlist that relied heavily (and unrealistically) on the goodwill of the state we would have been breaking away from.

And no "I'm allright Jack" here. Remaining in the UK is not just good for me but for all of Scotland in my book.

Even if somehow the tables have turned since the vote, it's too late anyway. Per the Edinburgh Agreement, this has been settled for a generation.

That's utter rubbish by the way.

There's nothing in the Edinburgh Agreement that specifies anything like that.

[ParisInAKilt]

Even if somehow the tables have turned since the vote, it's too late anyway. Per the Edinburgh Agreement, this has been settled for a generation.

Not true. Some Unionists aren't too keen on democracy it seems.

Edited November 20, 2014 by ParisInAKilt

[ErsatzThistle]

I'm still a No and don't regret voting no. Not one one iota. Neither does anyone else that I know who voted No.

I don't care about the Vow, that didn't swing my vote in the slightest as I don't even want more Devo. That's not what won the day. I voted No because I wanted to remain British and the white paper was an uncosted wishlist that relied heavily (and unrealistically) on the goodwill of the state we would have been breaking away from.

And no "I'm allright Jack" here. Remaining in the UK is not just good for me but for all of Scotland in my book.

Even if somehow the tables have turned since the vote, it's too late anyway. Per the Edinburgh Agreement, this has been settled for a generation.

You don't want more devolution for Scotland

Just out of interest, would you like to see the Scottish Parliament abolished ?

We'll be back. And next time we're going to win

[weekevie04]

I'm yes and I cannot see that view changing until independence happens. I have no idea how I formed that view, but even back when I was 8 or 9 (the Olympics was on, Barcelona) and always wondered why we weren't there and never felt anything of pride or that it was my country in seeing Christie win the gold or GB winning medals. Maybe brainwashed from a mad teacher as my parents weren't actively political, but I doubt I'll ever change my opinion in that Scotland should be an independent country.

There's a lot of folk like Watsonians out there. They don't care for more powers, some would even take the parliament away - we'll never win them over. They are British nationalists. They'll never be swooned from that position, much like I won't from being a Scottish nationalist.

Scotland will be independent. We were 200,000 odd votes away from it in September. The post-referendum days were horrendous, but certainly there is hope again and light at the end of it all.

The British state is pardon món French, but ####ed, long-term. The SNP should now fight for a 'Devo Max referendum' - polls have shown most of us want this, the Brits won't give anything at all like that to us. Add in an EU exit, UKIP success, Labour being utterly hopeless.

The task now for the SNP is to focus on govering as well as they have can moving on from the referendum.

It'll all come crashing down soon enough.

And we'll win the next ein.

Scotland will be an independent country.

[ParisInAKilt]

Obviously I'm Yes as well.

Never cared about politics until I voted Lib Dems in 2010. Felt angry and betrayed after what happened with the coalition.

Voted SNP in 2011. I remember being in uni listening to the radio as it was announced that the SNP had won a majority. I wanted independence then but from an almost blind patriotic stance. In the coming months I wound my neck in and approached the issue from as neutral a stance as possible, read everything I could etc and firmly believed that independence was the best for Scotland.

Fast forward a couple of years and I'm torn between bitter and proud. Proud of the 45% and the grase roots campaign and bitter about how the no campaign and establishment won the vote.

I don't believe for one second that the majority of Scotland voted no because they believe it's the best thing for Scotland's present and future. Scaring and almost lieing to people into voting no isn't the same thing and because of that I don't think I'll ever truely accept the no vote two months ago.

[Rossy]

It beggars belief that anyone in their right mind actually believes that Scotland is better off being controlled by Westminster than it is by Holyrood.

Insanity.

[brant grebner]

Depends if you consider yourself Scottish or British.

If you're a staunch nawbag Brit who sees Scotland as a mere region, then you might well view Holyrood as an unnecessary level of government.

If you're not a cúnt and you see yourself as Scottish, then you're more likely to have voted Yes Yes in 1997.

[albathebrave]

i am one of the few that still have a yes sticker on their car!

[Auchinyell Sox Change]

did i read somewhere this week that 25% dont want another vote ?

[ParisInAKilt]

did i read somewhere this week that 25% dont want another vote ?

Does that mean 75% do? Not bad just two months after a two year long campaign.

[redstevie007]

An article posted on the 45% Facebook page. We need to remember what happened on 19th September, what we had the chance to separate ourselves from and make sure we get it right next time.

http://messyreality.net/2014/11/08/friday-the-19th/

[northernscum]

The referendum campaign has been pretty much a life changing event for me. It helped to change my whole outlook on my country and it's place within the UK. I have always been a nationalist but in the past it was based more on a Braveheart reasoning of independence than a costed and political viewpoint.

Now i take much more notice of all things political which affect Scotland, good or bad and although i have never missed a general election since i was old enough to vote the upcoming one next May has taken on a massive amount of extra significance for me.

With the broad YES movement still as active as ever (and in some cases increasing) next May could possibly be one of the most spectacular elections in recent times with the "old guard" in Westminster being shaken more than they could have ever expected.

I think it is safe to assume that Scotland will not be getting pushed back into the shadows as much as Westminsters "elite" would love that to happen! The strength of our voice will be "turned up to 11" with a huge SNP vote increase next year, they won't be able to ignore us any more.