ParisInAKilt Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Your dossier is open to all .Nothing to do with me. And i don't think your first or last name is scunnered. You are seeking anonymity .Again delusions of false grandeur .You haven't risen high enough to go down with your party. Haha ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watsoniansfan Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 And this coming from the man who thinks his own countrymen/women running his own country would be "calamitous".Ridiculous Eh ?Nice to see you have a friend though.Nice but dim meets fake socialist...Ah i see the House of Lords connection now Don't be absurd, my own countrymen and women are running my country. You've been utterly taken in by my username I see. I chose it pretty much at random and haven't ever been to a public school. Re the Lords, I'm not really against a non-elected house per se (although the hereditary principle is a bit antiquated, admittedly) if it could be filled by people with genuine expertise who don't wish to sully themselves in electoral politics. There's something rather tautological in having two elected assemblies, unless you can constitutionally keep their terms of reference separate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Don't be absurd, my own countrymen and women are running my country. You've been utterly taken in by my username I see. I chose it pretty much at random and haven't ever been to a public school. Re the Lords, I'm not really against a non-elected house per se (although the hereditary principle is a bit antiquated, admittedly) if it could be filled by people with genuine expertise who don't wish to sully themselves in electoral politics. There's something rather tautological in having two elected assemblies, unless you can constitutionally keep their terms of reference separate. You mean your not Scott Hastings then. Damm i've been misinformed.Your right though i have been taken in I genuinely don't understand your post though Westminster still runs our country.We don't have the powers that normal nations do for income generation or collection.England is a foreign country to me ,as is France and Germany.Many democratic countries do have two houses,but it is a hangover from history and has no place in our own modern meritocratic society ,especially in the political circumstances we find ourselves in.Just no reason for a huge expense when people are having miserable lives with foodbanks etc IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) When I think of politicians that I admire, the ones who come to mind are the Dennis Skinners, the John McDonnells, the Margo MacDonalds, the Jim Sillars and of course the Katy Clarks... And even current Tory Sarah Wollaston. Politicians who in a parliamentary or parliamentary committee debate will stand up and say when they disagree with the line their party is taking... They will give their view on why they disagree with the line the party is taking and if they're not a cabinet minister they will defy whip and vote against their party. Under the SNP's rule the public will never know who has taken a stand against a party policy they disagree with, these talks will take place away from public eye, away from the people the MP's and MSP's are elected to serve. They'll not be able to say "that SNP policy is pure shite, but at least my MSP didn't back it". And??? So what To be honest it isn't the way I would do things but I still don't see how changes all that much Edited March 31, 2015 by Lamia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watsoniansfan Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I genuinely don't understand your post though Westminster still runs our country.We don't have the powers that normal nations do for income generation or collection.England is a foreign country to me ,as is France and Germany.Many democratic countries do have two houses,but it is a hangover from history and has no place in our own modern meritocratic society ,especially in the political circumstances we find ourselves in.Just no reason for a huge expense when people are having miserable lives with foodbanks etc IMO. Westminster has the popular consent of the Scottish people. I'm British - I don't consider the English to be foreign (much more culturally and linguistically in common with them than the French and Germans anyway) nor would I wish them to be. I'm in favour of an appointed rather than an elected Lords for the same reason that I tentatively support the monarchy. The theory doesn't particularly sit well with me but if we scrap them then the vacuum will inevitably be filled by grasping, corrupt politicians. This will only make the system worse. If the best and wisest minds in the lands are required to become career politicians in order to sit in the legislature (which is where we should want them, if we know what's good for us as a society) then obviously most of them will say "no thanks" and we will be left with the corrupt, mediocre party political hacks who are only in it for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 And??? So what To be honest it isn't the way I would do things but I still don't see how changes all that much Ok doke. In simple terms, the SNP are the only party in British politics who will have it written in their code of conduct that any member of parliament who shows dissent to party line will face disciplinary action. I'm curious as to why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Ok doke. In simple terms, the SNP are the only party in British politics who will have it written in their code of conduct that any member of parliament who shows dissent to party line will face disciplinary action. I'm curious as to why. Is that true though? Can you send me the Standing Orders for the Parliamentary Labour Party? I've asked several people on Twitter and met a wall of silence. I thought it would be a pretty simple request. Your comment suggests you've seen it - can you send it on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watsoniansfan Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 You mean your not Scott Hastings then. Damm i've been misinformed.Your right though i have been taken in I genuinely don't understand your post though Westminster still runs our country.We don't have the powers that normal nations do for income generation or collection.England is a foreign country to me ,as is France and Germany.Many democratic countries do have two houses,but it is a hangover from history and has no place in our own modern meritocratic society ,especially in the political circumstances we find ourselves in.Just no reason for a huge expense when people are having miserable lives with foodbanks etc IMO. Also, every advanced country has foodbanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 Is that true though? Can you send me the Standing Orders for the Parliamentary Labour Party? I've asked several people on Twitter and met a wall of silence. I thought it would be a pretty simple request. Your comment suggests you've seen it - can you send it on? Admittedly no, it's a deduction based on plenty of Labour MP's dissenting and still keeping whip. Collective responsibility has all but disappeared within the Con-Dem government... And the Greens, well the Greens are just chaotic If you're still after a copy of their Standing Orders you could try Aidan Kerr, the young journalist who as far as I know was first to report this at the start of March. He's good value on Twitter and always asking questions of everyone with all the enthusiasm that youth brings (Mr. Bibbler would hate him). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Your own arrogance and self importance will be your demise.......... . Goooood. Gooooood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 Goooood. Gooooood. Please, don't encourage him. That was uncomfortable to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 Goooood. Gooooood. I'm giving very serious thought.... To canvassing your mother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Perv ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Please, don't encourage him. That was uncomfortable to read. I'm giving very serious thought.... To canvassing your mother. Wasn't sure if my Palpatine/Sidious reference would be obvious enough. And my maw lives up the (old) Fudstone. Will be voting Labour without a doubt. She voted "no" as my brother still lives in the area and works in the Admiralty and he considered his job would be lost on independence - that and something about all the Post Offices in Scotland would be closed if there was independence (which she was adamant about)......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 that and something about all the Post Offices in Scotland would be closed if there was independence (which she was adamant about)......... Now that's interesting. During the referendum campaign I had been speaking to my postman and he was saying that everyone he works with was voting Yes. So I made a wee status on Facebook about the Postal Workers being "The Salt of the Earth". I got a comment from someone from Kilbirnie who said that one particular Postal Worker had basically turned their run into a canvass for Better Together and had daily access to impressionable people. Being a local you'll know who they were, there's a good chance your mother picked it up from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Westminster has the popular consent of the Scottish people. I'm British - I don't consider the English to be foreign (much more culturally and linguistically in common with them than the French and Germans anyway) nor would I wish them to be. I'm in favour of an appointed rather than an elected Lords for the same reason that I tentatively support the monarchy. The theory doesn't particularly sit well with me but if we scrap them then the vacuum will inevitably be filled by grasping, corrupt politicians. This will only make the system worse. If the best and wisest minds in the lands are required to become career politicians in order to sit in the legislature (which is where we should want them, if we know what's good for us as a society) then obviously most of them will say "no thanks" and we will be left with the corrupt, mediocre party political hacks who are only in it for themselves. I'm happy to say Westminster does not have the consent of the Scottish people.More Scots voted for independence than against it.It does appear that the majority of people currently living in Scotland gave consent to Westminster.But as we all know many of them were fed on a diet of lies and propaganda from people they thought they could trust. Westminster's corruption is unraveling by the day ,from lying politicians who (if not actually involved )protect pedophiles .A security service who will kill if an individual gets to know too much and the super rich linked to government laundering the proceeds of the bankers gambled billions,which of course we pay for.The German gave consent for the Nazi's to run their country.But it did not mean it was right. You may feel you are but British.But being British is not a state, it's a state of mind.People from the Nordic countries would consider themselves to be Scandinavian but these countries are not ruled from a Westminster equivalent.I feel Scandinavian .I don't feel and never have felt anything for Britian. We will be independent in a few years you can still feel British if you want.Although if you open the real history books you are not going to like what you find or admit.The whole of Northern Europe is interwoven both culturally and genetically but the Germans and Dutch have more in common with the English as a whole than you. The corruption is all around us already.I cant see a void producing more to be honest.At least Scotland has a different political system is much smaller and is easier to Police.As for Westminster i really don't believe we have even scratched the surface yet.When they start pulling the shutters down amid cries of national security we have the beginnings of a totalitarian state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 @ Scunnered You do get that Post Offices and postmen work for completely diffent entities? I suspect they the Post Offices in Scotland were under some threat as the level of subsidy is higher, on average, than the rest of the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 @ Scunnered You do get that Post Offices and postmen work for completely diffent entities? I suspect they the Post Offices in Scotland were under some threat as the level of subsidy is higher, on average, than the rest of the UK. I didn't Every days a school day, I also learned about the timing of Easter today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 More Scots voted for independence than against it. Could you please give me your definition of a "Scot"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Could you please give me your definition of a "Scot"? A yes voter . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 A yes voter . . . . Wheesht you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Could you please give me your definition of a "Scot"? Actually, I would be interested too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 A yes voter . . . . Ah, just politics then think my way or you are a bunny rabbit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Do you know I actually typed 'bunny rabbit'. :-o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Admittedly no, it's a deduction based on plenty of Labour MP's dissenting and still keeping whip. Collective responsibility has all but disappeared within the Con-Dem government... And the Greens, well the Greens are just chaotic If you're still after a copy of their Standing Orders you could try Aidan Kerr, the young journalist who as far as I know was first to report this at the start of March. He's good value on Twitter and always asking questions of everyone with all the enthusiasm that youth brings (Mr. Bibbler would hate him). No a smattering of youthful enthusiasm is essential to every society.They can help show us the way through barriers of realism and logic that can stifle change and adaptability.Get a techno -kid in every cabinet i say.But without experience and wisdom it would be Lord of the flies.However i do hate teenage pop bands that sing about life and loves lost.What do they know ffs .I am not alone. However the youth must understand that for example,when i was at school if someone had said you could remove the phone from your house ,take photographs with it,and send then instantly to someone else while watching a video of led zeppelin that someone else filmed yesterday and ensured that half the world could see it,while being on radar to anyone else with a tracking device ,that i could put in my pocket etc etc ......! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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