Orraloon Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) The party currently in government in Holyrood and that will soon hold the majority of Westminster seats in Scotland, passed a motion forbidding its Parliamentary team from showing dissent towards party line. That's rather significant is it not? It would appear to be fairly significant to you but I am guessing that most folk couldn't give a fuk. Edited March 30, 2015 by Orraloon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 It would appear to be fairly significant to you but I am guessing that most couldn't give a fuk. You use language that I might not employ, but the general sentiment is one with which I might not have a significant difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 You use language that I might not employ, but the general sentiment is one with which I might not have a significant difference. I sometimes like to be succinct and to the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 That will be up to them. Will it? He disnae beleive in profits. He's a socialist don't you know? Boo hoo! It would appear to be fairly significant to you but I am guessing that most folk couldn't give a fuk. If you say so. Plenty of chat around it from what I can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 The party currently in government in Holyrood and that will soon hold the majority of Westminster seats in Scotland, passed a motion forbidding its Parliamentary team from showing dissent towards party line. That's rather significant is it not? Patricia Gibson and Katy Clark will be at the RIC meeting next week. I'll put it to Patricia that our current MP will vote against her party line and speak out against them when their position is not in the interests of her constituents, and now it appears that the SNP have forbidden their parliamentary team from doing so. But I'd say the motion mentioned goes deeper than that. On occasions in cabinet we've seen ministers vote through proposals due to Collective Responsibility of their government, but while doing so they've spoke out and said they don't personally agree with it. The above motions appears to forbid even that. Scunnered .Do me a favour.At the RIC meeting can you ask Katy Clark if she agrees with some core SNP policy commitments ?.Namely : 1.House of Lords to be abolished 2.50% tax rate 3."Minimum wage " proposal to be 70p higher than labour 4.Removal of nuclear weapons from Scottish soil and the scrapping of the 100 billion cost of a new weapons system of mass destruction. Her answers will tell us if she is suitable to join the SNP.I would imagine there will be at least 100,000 who are better placed to become candidates for Westminster,but lets not pre-judge her answers.I am presuming from your comments on the board that you are quite close to Katy and will have time to ask the questions.Can you let the board know the results Cheers WB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) Scunnered .Do me a favour.At the RIC meeting can you ask Katy Clark if she agrees with some core SNP policy commitments ?.Namely : 1.House of Lords to be abolished 2.50% tax rate 3."Minimum wage " proposal to be 70p higher than labour 4.Removal of nuclear weapons from Scottish soil and the scrapping of the 100 billion cost of a new weapons system of mass destruction. Her answers will tell us if she is suitable to join the SNP.I would imagine there will be at least 100,000 who are better placed to become candidates for Westminster,but lets not pre-judge her answers.I am presuming from your comments on the board that you are quite close to Katy and will have time to ask the questions.Can you let the board know the results Cheers WB 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. No, she is part of the £10 mandatory living wage campaign. £8.70 isn't enough. 4. Yes Happy to help Edit: Let's not forget that 1 & 2 are also Labour policy Edited March 31, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. No, she is part of the £10 mandatory living wage campaign. £8.70 isn't enough. 4. Yes Happy to help Bloody hell .That was quick .Your a lot closer to her than i thought !.If its true she may be suitable to become a candidate for the Green party .Might be a bit too left wing for her though .Can you remind her specifically on point 1 that she appears to be standing for a party who supports this undemocratic institution and has done all of its existence .Can you mention also she is losing credibility as her party answers YES to point 2 only. Maybe you could ask her if she's still with you why she is being fraudulent to prospective voters.That's the question she is going to be asked next week. Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) Bloody hell .That was quick .Your a lot closer to her than i thought !.If its true she may be suitable to become a candidate for the Green party .Might be a bit too left wing for her though .Can you remind her specifically on point 1 that she appears to be standing for a party who supports this undemocratic institution and has done all of its existence .Can you mention also she is losing credibility as her party answers YES to point 2 only. Maybe you could ask her if she's still with you why she is being fraudulent to prospective voters.That's the question she is going to be asked next week. Thanks again Your baiting has no effect on me my little friend. Come hear from the lady herself on Saturday. Your lovely Nicola is also there so you can quietly chug one away into your pocket to make it worth your while. Edited March 31, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Katy Clark seems like one of the few remaining politicians who Id enjoy voting for, well apart from the Labour association. Wonder what her reaction was privately to Murphy getting the leaders jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 Katy Clark seems like one of the few remaining politicians who Id enjoy voting for, well apart from the Labour association. Wonder what her reaction was privately to Murphy getting the leaders jobs She said publicly that it would be the death of Scottish Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 She said publicly that it would be the death of Scottish Labour. Good on her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 People's time would be better spent on other things rather than bleating about Katy Clark joining the SNP. Noone spends their time bleating about Patrick Harvie and why he should join the SNP. Katy Clark might genuinely believe in the Union, in which it would be nonsensical for her to join the SNP. More likely, she should leave Labour and run as an Independent. If you are going to ask Katy Clark anything, just go straight for the jugular: do you believe in Scottish independence? Then we can all get on arguing about stuff that matters. I think it's more powerful to have Sturgeon, Harvie and Clark speaking at a Trident rally from three different parties. Scotland would be a sh*te place if everybody and a'body joined the SNP. Well, we'd be independent, but one party state is the last thing we want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Aye, fair play to Mrs. Scunnered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 People's time would be better spent on other things rather than bleating about Katy Clark joining the SNP. Noone spends their time bleating about Patrick Harvie and why he should join the SNP. Katy Clark might genuinely believe in the Union, in which it would be nonsensical for her to join the SNP. More likely, she should leave Labour and run as an Independent. If you are going to ask Katy Clark anything, just go straight for the jugular: do you believe in Scottish independence? Then we can all get on arguing about stuff that matters. I think it's more powerful to have Sturgeon, Harvie and Clark speaking at a Trident rally from three different parties. Scotland would be a sh*te place if everybody and a'body joined the SNP. Well, we'd be independent, but one party state is the last thing we want. Well put Definitely good to have representation from 3 parties at the rally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 People's time would be better spent on other things rather than bleating about Katy Clark joining the SNP. Noone spends their time bleating about Patrick Harvie and why he should join the SNP. Katy Clark might genuinely believe in the Union, in which it would be nonsensical for her to join the SNP. More likely, she should leave Labour and run as an Independent. If you are going to ask Katy Clark anything, just go straight for the jugular: do you believe in Scottish independence? Then we can all get on arguing about stuff that matters. I think it's more powerful to have Sturgeon, Harvie and Clark speaking at a Trident rally from three different parties. Scotland would be a sh*te place if everybody and a'body joined the SNP. Well, we'd be independent, but one party state is the last thing we want. I won't need to ask her. She has volunteered her opening 15 minutes to speak on the Referendum campaign and the issue of independence, with her remaining 15 minutes to be on the General Election campaign. I've only chatted briefly with her on the Independence question so I won't bore you when I'll have a more detailed and thorough answer for you next week... As well as her answers under scrutiny from the RIC members. I believe it's worth me adding, that Patricia Gibson originally turned down our invitation, when she saw that Katy was attending she asked if she could speak at the next meeting in May. We turned her down as this is our GE candidates meeting (Tory & UKIP naturally refused). I'm sure someone (not me) will ask why she and her husband are so reluctant to engage with the progressive groups in Ayrshire... As her husband has refused every invitation to Better Way meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I won't need to ask her. She has volunteered her opening 15 minutes to speak on the Referendum campaign and the issue of independence, with her remaining 15 minutes to be on the General Election campaign. I've only chatted briefly with her on the Independence question so I won't bore you when I'll have a more detailed and thorough answer for you next week... As well as her answers under scrutiny from the RIC members. Ill be clear - I don't particularly care if Katy Clark supports independence. There's no referendum planned so declaring any kind of support or opposition is kind of moot. Independence supporters need to leave people be and I've seen enough of Katy Clark to know she's a good 'un. The whole thing of harrassing her about independence and the SNP is a waste of everyone's time. Let her get on with things. We should be focusing on GE2015 issues and issues that are of importance in the next couple of years. If she happens to support independence or come out in support of independence, then great. But in the meantime, she should be left to cause bother within Labour - because it's clear she's in a very small minority of good people trying to do good things in Labour. Another thing some people should remember. If and when another independence referendum comes around, there's a good chance some in Labour will bite the bullet and opt for independence. Labour for Independence failed to make a serious mark in Labour in the referendum so it's going to take some really good and brave people in that party to break the mould. If we pester them all to join the SNP, who's going to be left to potentially challenge the Labour hierarchy when we go for another push? Leave her be. The SNP need a healthy opposition, not assimilation of opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Your baiting has no effect on me my little friend. Come hear from the lady herself on Saturday. Your lovely Nicola is also there so you can quietly chug one away into your pocket to make it worth your while. There is no baiting here.Just factual questions to help you see you are being duped by this woman.She seems to have forgotten Labour for independence .Most have reflected on their morals and joined the SNP or Greens.it may be difficult for you to understand politics and its easy to get manipulated especially if you don't have the wisdom of the over 30's.But you have to remember what you say and what you "type " is how others will judge you and your credibility .You may have forgotten what you said others wont. Flure is being kind to you when he says you are on the wind up.I think you are a daft wee laddie, but you will grow up.At least you have an enthusiasm for politics.But a word of warning .Do not make sexual remarks concerning women,especially high profile ones who are involved in front line politics.It can have a very damaging effect and not just to your social life.Remember you may be anonymous on social media but you are not invisible.if you are in a public meeting and someone brings up these remarks how do you think that's going to go for you.especially if they are members of the SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 There is no baiting here.Just factual questions to help you see you are being duped by this woman.She seems to have forgotten Labour for independence .Most have reflected on their morals and joined the SNP or Greens.it may be difficult for you to understand politics and its easy to get manipulated especially if you don't have the wisdom of the over 30's.But you have to remember what you say and what you "type " is how others will judge you and your credibility .You may have forgotten what you said others wont. Flure is being kind to you when he says you are on the wind up.I think you are a daft wee laddie, but you will grow up.At least you have an enthusiasm for politics.But a word of warning .Do not make sexual remarks concerning women,especially high profile ones who are involved in front line politics.It can have a very damaging effect and not just to your social life.Remember you may be anonymous on social media but you are not invisible.if you are in a public meeting and someone brings up these remarks how do you think that's going to go for you.especially if they are members of the SNP. Your assumption on my youth is inaccurate, but appreciated. The sexual remarks were regarding you my friend, and with the greatest respect I don't think that will come back to bite me on the bum, so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Your assumption on my youth is inaccurate, but appreciated. The sexual remarks were regarding you my friend, and with the greatest respect I don't think that will come back to bite me on the bum, so to speak. You just cant take a tellling can you.Your own arrogance and self importance will be your demise i'm afraid Your sexual remarks were directed towards our first minister and masturbation.You are belittling a political figure by saying a member of the SNP wants to masturbate over her.If you said this at your work about a colleague that would be dismissal.if you a member of a political party and a regular at political forums concerning women this will not go well for you.You may be too arrogant to see it but you are not invisible and i would guess that Katy Clark ,Nicola Sturgeon and any other women in the room would find your remarks more than purile.You may be a nonentity at these meetings but you claimed to be a chairperson on here and from Dalry.You wont be too hard to find. You cant reason effectively so you play the stupid wee boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 You just cant take a tellling can you.Your own arrogance and self importance will be your demise i'm afraid Your sexual remarks were directed towards our first minister and masturbation.You are belittling a political figure by saying a member of the SNP wants to masturbate over her.If you said this at your work about a colleague that would be dismissal.if you a member of a political party and a regular at political forums concerning women this will not go well for you.You may be too arrogant to see it but you are not invisible and i would guess that Katy Clark ,Nicola Sturgeon and any other women in the room would find your remarks more than purile.You may be a nonentity at these meetings but you claimed to be a chairperson on here and from Dalry.You wont be too hard to find. You cant reason effectively so you play the stupid wee boy. You're claiming to be worth "taking a telling" from and I'm self important? Self awareness is a marvellous thing. You're putting a spin on my comments in a manner that your party would be proud of. If you want to embarass yourself feel free to ask one of many, many members on here who know me, i'm not one to seek anomity and i'm sure you wont be short of volunteers to help you make a fuss, do what you like with your little dossier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watsoniansfan Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 You just cant take a tellling can you.Your own arrogance and self importance will be your demise i'm afraid Your sexual remarks were directed towards our first minister and masturbation.You are belittling a political figure by saying a member of the SNP wants to masturbate over her.If you said this at your work about a colleague that would be dismissal.if you a member of a political party and a regular at political forums concerning women this will not go well for you.You may be too arrogant to see it but you are not invisible and i would guess that Katy Clark ,Nicola Sturgeon and any other women in the room would find your remarks more than purile.You may be a nonentity at these meetings but you claimed to be a chairperson on here and from Dalry.You wont be too hard to find. You cant reason effectively so you play the stupid wee boy. The more WB posts I read the more I'm beginning to realise that he's actually a very clever parody. Nobody could be as consistently ridiculous as he is without doing it deliberately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 You're claiming to be worth "taking a telling" from and I'm self important? Self awareness is a marvellous thing. You're putting a spin on my comments in a manner that your party would be proud of. If you want to embarass yourself feel free to ask one of many, many members on here who know me, i'm not one to seek anomity and i'm sure you wont be short of volunteers to help you make a fuss, do what you like with your little dossier. Your dossier is open to all .Nothing to do with me. And i don't think your first or last name is scunnered. You are seeking anonymity .Again delusions of false grandeur .You haven't risen high enough to go down with your party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 Your dossier is open to all .Nothing to do with me. And i don't think your first or last name is scunnered. You are seeking anonymity .Again delusions of false grandeur .You haven't risen high enough to go down with your party. Jeez Louise man. Please tell me your next post will be "only kidding kiddo" and you're not going to continue this charade. What party would that be? Out of interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 The more WB posts I read the more I'm beginning to realise that he's actually a very clever parody. Nobody could be as consistently ridiculous as he is without doing it deliberately. And this coming from the man who thinks his own countrymen/women running his own country would be "calamitous".Ridiculous Eh ?Nice to see you have a friend though.Nice but dim meets fake socialist...Ah i see the House of Lords connection now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 And this coming from the man who thinks his own countrymen/women running his own country would be "calamitous".Ridiculous Eh ?Nice to see you have a friend though.Nice but dim meets fake socialist...Ah i see the House of Lords connection now I'm not arrogant enough to give someone a telling... But perhaps its time to log off and come back tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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